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fuzz2050 07-17-10 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 11129740)
Good mechanics don't need torque wrenches.

Funny, I've never heard a good mechanic say that...

PedallingATX 07-17-10 08:19 PM

My preferred mechanic (one of the few that I trust) is the owner of a LBS called Nelo's. He's an ex-racer Brazilian. He used to be the head mechanic for a few different professional bike teams and has wrenched on bikes at some of the most elite races in the world (Giro d'Italia). I've never seen him use a torque wrench. Do you know a more qualified mechanic than that?

Also, his shop now deals exclusively in Wilier, Kuota, Colnago, Cannondale and Tomassini...so it's not like he doesn't wrench on carbon bikes regularly.

TejanoTrackie 07-17-10 08:35 PM

Perhaps good professional mechanics don't need torque wrenches, but I as a rank amateur find them useful to get consistent tightness of bolts, particularly where the value is high such as crank arm bolts. I can also determine accurately if such a bolted connection is remaining tight, or needing to be re-tightened.

Squirrelli 07-17-10 08:51 PM

If my bike had any sort of carbon fibre components, I'd like my mechanic to use a torque wrench.

PedallingATX 07-17-10 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by Vixtor (Post 11130801)
If my bike had any sort of carbon fibre components, I'd like my mechanic to use a torque wrench.

meh. CF ain't no thang. I've done work on steel, aluminum, titanium and CF bikes, and honestly it doesn't matter. Fixie riders all think CF is so much more fragile than it really is.

Snacklord 07-17-10 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 11129740)
Good mechanics don't need torque wrenches.


Originally Posted by fuzz2050 (Post 11130082)
Funny, I've never heard a good mechanic say that...



What fuzz2050 said..!!! Wow.... hahaha :lol:

jakerock 07-19-10 12:37 AM


Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 11129740)
Good mechanics don't need torque wrenches.

Heh, the best mechanics have learned by f_ing up ALOT! You can either learn by using the proper tool, or breaking tons of sh*t.

jakerock 07-19-10 12:38 AM


Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 11131166)
meh. CF ain't no thang. I've done work on steel, aluminum, titanium and CF bikes, and honestly it doesn't matter. Fixie riders all think CF is so much more fragile than it really is.

Youre fired! ;^)

KD5NRH 07-19-10 12:46 AM


Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 11129740)
Good mechanics don't need torque wrenches.

That's what one said right before he stripped out a wheel stud on my car.

Sixty Fiver 07-19-10 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 11131166)
meh. CF ain't no thang. I've done work on steel, aluminum, titanium and CF bikes, and honestly it doesn't matter. Fixie riders all think CF is so much more fragile than it really is.

Fail.

Good mechanics have a torque wrench... mine usually hangs on a wall to impress people and for the odd occasion I am working on carbon fibre bikes.

Amateurs should invest in a torque wrench... it is amazing to see how many people who have no idea how tight some parts have to be and then there are the gorillas who over torque things and screw things up.

I have a few local racers who frequent my shop and they ride CF bikes that cost upwards of $7000.00... if I use a torque wrench I can ensure that the part is set to factoryspecs and of something fails I am then confident that it wasn't due to a bolt not being torqued to those exact specs.

Sixty Fiver 07-19-10 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie (Post 11130747)
Perhaps good professional mechanics don't need torque wrenches, but I as a rank amateur find them useful to get consistent tightness of bolts, particularly where the value is high such as crank arm bolts. I can also determine accurately if such a bolted connection is remaining tight, or needing to be re-tightened.

Dude... I would trust you to work on my bike more than I would some of the local wrenches.

PedallingATX 07-19-10 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 11136074)
Fail.

Good mechanics have a torque wrench... mine usually hangs on a wall to impress people and for the odd occasion I am working on carbon fibre bikes.

Amateurs should invest in a torque wrench... it is amazing to see how many people who have no idea how tight some parts have to be and then there are the gorillas who over torque things and screw things up.

I have a few local racers who frequent my shop and they ride CF bikes that cost upwards of $7000.00... if I use a torque wrench I can ensure that the part is set to factoryspecs and of something fails I am then confident that it wasn't due to a bolt not being torqued to those exact specs.


Yeah, I might be singing a different tune if I worked on bikes professionally and was liable for any screw ups. BUT, since I only work on me and my friends' bikes, I feel pretty confident in my ability to just "feel it out," even if I am tightening a carbon fiber stem onto a carbon fiber steerer tube or what have you...

Dr. Banzai 07-19-10 02:16 PM

A good mechanic doesn't need a torque wrench that reads inch pounds unless he's an aircraft mechanic.

A good mechanic has a torque wrench that reads in foot pounds AND has been calibrated.

I've seen more people strip oil pan bolts, stem bolts and crank bolts etc. over the years and just chuckle. Know what to insanely tighten and not.

area51nj 07-19-10 03:01 PM

Geeze, you guys go in depth. The only things that ever got really torqued (by used of a pipe and wrench) are axel nuts. As for stems use a criss cross pattern until evenly tight. I've never had anything slip and only stripped out a stem once and learned my lesson.

hairnet 07-19-10 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by PedallingATX (Post 11131166)
Fixie riders all think CF is so much more fragile than it really is.

Naw, it's pretty much everyone riding a bike.

jhaber 07-19-10 05:55 PM

"You could drive a car with your feet if you wanted to, but that doesn't make it a good idea."

Lube + torque wrench is the only proper way.

As for the original question, no I never ever worry about this. It doesn't take much pressure for it to be solidly engaged. By hand one is way more likely to over tighten and strip than under tighten.

JohnDThompson 07-19-10 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie (Post 11128954)
Actually, some quill (threaded) stems also have faceplates >>> http://www.ride-this.com/index.php/k...ource=googleps

Twice as much to worry about here :eek:

And that's not the only one:
http://www.velobase.com/CompImages/S...D8FADB970.jpeg

adriano 07-19-10 07:06 PM

those arent the only two.

cnnrmccloskey 07-19-10 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 11141263)

Cool lookin stem, whats the make?

Tomo_Ishi 07-20-10 04:35 AM

It might be more helpful to suggest us a good affordable torque wrench. ... I am pretty sure I saw one at a hardware store (with foot-pounds) costing a little over 100. That's a bit too far for me if there were alternatives. (especially because that's a small one and won't work for cranks and lockrings.)

adriano 07-20-10 06:27 AM

someone, donate a torque wrench, digital calipers, and a scale to me. thank you.

JohnDThompson 07-20-10 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by cnnrmccloskey (Post 11141571)
Cool lookin stem, whats the make?

Constrictor.

KD5NRH 07-20-10 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by Tomo_Ishi (Post 11143373)
It might be more helpful to suggest us a good affordable torque wrench.

Google Shopping, look for "beam torque wrench"

Click type wrenches are a lot easier to use if you're doing a lot of fasteners, but the beam type isn't rocket science, and should be available for $10-20 USD or local equivalent. Cheap enough that a little extra at the local auto parts store will probably still be less than the shipping to order one.

A click screwdriver type calibrated in inch-pounds like the FAT Wrench also comes in handy if you ever deal with screws that are likely to strip out, or anything that needs to be assembled the same way every time. Sure, it's $40, but that's often cheaper than stripping out one screwhole in an aluminum part.


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