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Fair/Good Pricing on 08/09 Schwinn Madison?

Old 08-07-10, 03:52 PM
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Fair/Good Pricing on 08/09 Schwinn Madison?

A friend of mine mentioned that a bike shop he frequents has had a black 09 Madison and the blue 08 on clearance for quite a while now at $499 and $399 respectively. When he asked about them the shop mentioned they would give him a deal on either of them. I'm interested in upgrading, and love the looks of the 08. So assuming it or the 09 are in my size, what kind of price should I be hoping to get/pay for either? Is there any discernible difference between the two outside of aesthetics (for example on Schwinn's site it sounds like the 08 has truvativ touros while the 09 has something generic)?

Finally, would this be a silly purchase tantamount to a sidegrade from my Torker U District (aside ofc from the aesthetics of the 08!)?
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Old 08-07-10, 04:28 PM
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The 09's are pretty cheap at simple living cycles if you're in the area.

The 08's at 400 are fair, if they are in your size. 500? I wouldn't do it.

The 09's cranks are not generic. They are fsa vero's.

It will be an upgrade from the U District.
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I have an 09 and payd 400 plus shipping so abour $430
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Old 08-30-10, 03:23 PM
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So not to necropost this guy, but I decided to go take a look at the madison today. As it turns out my acquaintance was wrong, as both the 09 and the 08 are going for $499. I'm not sure I can justify the 08 for that price, but perhaps I'm wrong and you can tell me why. The components are in every way an upgrade from my U District (generic cranks to Truvativ Touro, single to dual pivot brakes, riser to flats w/ hoods which I guess is preference but my definite preference is the latter, unbranded to formula hubs). However, I'm getting an unheard of wheel set (Jalco?) and would have to swap the stem as the reach was a bit much to comfortably ride the hoods. The last bit is fine as they said they could order a kalloy or something similar 10 to 20 mm shorter and just swap that for the same price.

My question though is whether the Maddie is worth 500 bones. For $500 I could pick up a Kilo TT pro. I'm a novice wrench who can't handle much besides tensioning my chain and oiling it, so I would definitely have to have a bike shop build/tune it for me which would probably close most of the $100 price difference. I'd also down the road want to get brake hoods instead of the cross brake on the TT. The TT also has what I believe are probably better wheels (Alex Sub as opposed to the Jalco), but this is mostly moot as next summer I would probably consider investing in some Deep V or Open Pros laced to formula (I'm told Dura Ace and Phils are rather overkill for a commuter). I don't know how the TT compares weight wise either, and although I'm no weight weenie since I can't afford a crazy Road Bike I'd like it to be light enough for some longer fitness rides on days off (I do 40-50 miles on my U District, which sans scale honestly felt a hare lighter than the Madison, which is weird considering its Hi Ten seat stays and fork).

So in closing do those who are more knowledgeable in the bike/component think I should walk if the shop is firm at $500? They've had it on close out at this price for about a month and a half, so maybe if I bide my time they'll be more flexible. I'm not trying to burn them in any case, I just think they were foolish to think they'd sell it at msrp of $670 or something crazy.
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Old 08-30-10, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Philasteve View Post
I have an 09 and payd 400 plus shipping and a can of black spray paint so about $435
fixed.
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Old 08-30-10, 04:11 PM
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I had a set of Jalco rims laying around that I built to a set of forumlas for rain wheels for a while, they performed quite admirably. From my experience lower end rims perform about the same. So an upgrade of hubs and neutral on rims= better wheels.
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fixed.
i lol'd.
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Old 08-30-10, 06:26 PM
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Man, Scrod is going to pick on Philasteve until the day he quits this forum.
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dude u need that trixie tool its the best tool ever it even comes with a bottle opener ! dude all the messengers reccomended it to me and evr since i got it im basically a mechaninc now and all the bike shops want me.
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You'd probably be pissed if some guy bought a brand spanking new Coltello and sprayed paint it hot pink.
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You know it!
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You'd probably be pissed if some guy bought a brand spanking new Coltello and sprayed paint it hot pink.
Well played.
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dude u need that trixie tool its the best tool ever it even comes with a bottle opener ! dude all the messengers reccomended it to me and evr since i got it im basically a mechaninc now and all the bike shops want me.
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Old 08-30-10, 10:25 PM
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In as much as I appreciate both the humor and bumps your banter provides, actual thoughtful comments would be really nice!

So far all I've got is xkillemallx saying he would walk at $500. I'm inclined to agree. I have absolutely loved the look of the 08 Maddie since laying eyes on it, which complicates my otherwise normally quite rational thought process. When I heard I could snag it for $400 or less it was a no brainer because it was a good deal and a bike I love the aesthetic of. At $500 could I do scads better looking elsewhere (Kilo TT pro or who knows what)?
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Old 08-30-10, 10:36 PM
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$500 for a 09 is a good deal, only few parts are different between the two; the crankset and the cockpit. As mentioned before, the 08 uses Touro and the 09 uses FSA Vero, IMO, they are pretty much the same caliber, not too shabby and not top of the shelf. Also, the 09 are stocked with OS bars and stems, not sure if that matters to you.
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Old 08-30-10, 10:53 PM
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The 09 doesn't fit, its a large frame and I being a short man ride the medium. Also it doesn't look near as sexy.
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Don't think of it as $ 500 for an 08 or 09. The newer Madison others hate, heck they even hate the new Fuji too. If you can find a Madison for less, jump on it because it's what you wanted. My only reservation about finding one for a few bucks less on the internet, is the wheels aren't trued and that might get you up to what the LBS charges for one anyway.
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P.S. Two questions:

1) I kind of want to keep my U District as a winter/rain/beater bike (fenders just seem wrong on the Madison). Where I to sell it, anyone have any idea what it should go for? Sorry, I'm a luddite. I got into biking last July buying this as a SS for a short commute and carless life, and fell in love with it. Really have no idea how to price it. It was $350 new, is a year old, and is stock but for an EAI cog, new this past July chain, and untouched Shimano freewheel. I'd probably take my gatorskins and give them the Schwalbe Lugano's that come on the Maddie. I'd also take my clipless pedals and give them the stock but with or w/out my old clips/straps, as they see fit.

2) Where I to sell it, what would I need to do to make the Madison winter ready? Just ride it, keep it inside to dry, and lube it often?
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1. Try putting in the market for $300 or so.

2. Put some knobby/studded tires for it to blow through the snow/slush/salt, give it a wipe everytime you get back from riding in the elements, keep your chain lubed. If you see exposed metal, use nail polish to cover it, it'll get rusted with all the salt and snow.
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Old 08-31-10, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Vixtor View Post
1. Try putting in the market for $300 or so.

2. Put some knobby/studded tires for it to blow through the snow/slush/salt, give it a wipe everytime you get back from riding in the elements, keep your chain lubed. If you see exposed metal, use nail polish to cover it, it'll get rusted with all the salt and snow.
1) $300 on a $350 bike with a year of use (including winter) seems like I'm pushing it, but I appreciate the input.

2) Yeah, I figure studded tires if I do the ice. Do they suck on pavement though? Lets say Minneapolis keeps it's streets plowed. Would studded tires just be a pain in the ass? Also, would the chrome on the Madison constitute "exposed metal?"

I really do appreciate the feedback. See the luddite bit above, and realize you're dealing with a bike-****** who hopes to amend his ways.

Edit: Didn't realize ritard wasn't kosher around these parts, so suffice to say I am a cyclist with trisomy-23.

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Here's probably the best deal you'll find ? $ 349.99 on a black or yellow 09, but they are "L" sized.

https://store.citygrounds.com/store/c...d-Singlespeed/
https://store.citygrounds.com/store/p...adison-Yellow/
https://store.citygrounds.com/store/p...Madison-Black/

Hopefully you're taller and this fits you ?
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2) Yeah, I figure studded tires if I do the ice. Do they suck on pavement though? Lets say Minneapolis keeps it's streets plowed. Would studded tires just be a pain in the ass? Also, would the chrome on the Madison constitute "exposed metal?
They are quite bad on pavement, but since you are going to gear it down(if you werent planning on it, do it) and there will be some patches of snow and ice the studded tires wont be as big of a deal.

After finding out about the word filter why would you intentionally try to get around it?
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Also, would the chrome on the Madison constitute "exposed metal?"
No. The bare metal is beneath the chrome plating and coat of clear.
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saw a Boston CL '07 for $190 used a couple weeks ago.
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So I found a different LBS that I actually used to frequent with the 08 Maddie in my size for $400, which is quite a bit more palatable. Two issues:

1) I don't want to be a scrod clone because my hair isn't cool enough for dreads.

2) Is the Madison all chro-mo? A friend was telling me it isn't, but my research indicates that it is.

I lied, 3) Um so I heard there was an issue with lacking spacers on the original 08 Maddie forks and that Schwinn definitely made good on this promise if your LBS asked. The bike I looked at the place I hit up tonite definitely looked spacerless. I just want it to ride comfortably. So should I be expecting restitution despite it being 10?

P.S. Appreciate the earlier links fuji, but the large is too big for me =(. Plus the blue is too sexy. A large part of my reason for wanting this bike is that I have lusted after it since I saw it when first bike shopping when I bought my Torker (utility being my primary concern). I have feelings for this bike that a man probably ought not to have for a bicycle.
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1) I'm not the only person on the planet who rides a Madison.

2) Yes.

3) The 08 Maddies that had the short steerer tube problem are few and far between.

How tall are you?
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I had a set of Jalco rims laying around that I built to a set of forumlas for rain wheels for a while, they performed quite admirably.
I've owned two wheelsets with "Jalco DRX2000" rims. The first wheelset was a badly built (out of dish, wacky spoke tension), non-eyeletted road wheelset that cracked up at the nipples at about 7,000 miles. I was pretty unimpressed with this wheelset but can't exactly blame the rims because the build quality was so poor. I replaced these with CXP22's and was surprised to find that the CXP22's were much heavier.

My Madison also has "DRX2000" rims, but these rims are eyeletted (and the wheels are properly built). I haven't put too many miles on this set but I am rather content with them. They're reasonably light and have held up well over their first 1000-or-so miles of use.
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