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Old 02-09-11, 09:12 PM
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Can you ride a SS bike with only a rear brake?

Sure.

You can eat your soup with a fork, too, but why would you want to?
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Old 02-09-11, 09:14 PM
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Man I feel like brakes should just never be brought up in this forum again...
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Old 02-09-11, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Motopecane
Man I feel like brakes should just never be brought up in this forum again...
no, brakes should never be brought up in a thread i did not start.
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My Bikes Direct bike came with an uninstalled rear brake only. I'd imagine this has more to do with having extra on hand and trying to be nice than it does with being "stupid" or "disreputable".

It's not like they try to push riding with only a rear brake on you, it's simply included in the box, just like the extra reflectors and random bolts that don't seem to fit anything.
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Old 02-09-11, 10:13 PM
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Old 02-09-11, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hamish5178
My Bikes Direct bike came with an uninstalled rear brake only. I'd imagine this has more to do with having extra on hand and trying to be nice than it does with being "stupid" or "disreputable".

It's not like they try to push riding with only a rear brake on you, it's simply included in the box, just like the extra reflectors and random bolts that don't seem to fit anything.
Dude. Bikesdirect has nothing to do with what gets put in the box at the factory in Taiwan or China. They never open the boxes when they arrive at their warehouse in Texas, and simply put it on a UPS truck when an order is received. Because of this, they also don't check to see if the correct parts are in the box, and sometimes they are not. It's pot luck, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
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Old 02-09-11, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Kol.klink
idk why but I remember I was afraid of those when I was a child.
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Old 02-09-11, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by muckymucky
no, brakes should never be brought up in a thread i did not start.
Good plan just make a thread that states "from here forth if brakes are to be discussed it must be within this thread".
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Old 02-10-11, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie
Dude. Bikesdirect has nothing to do with what gets put in the box at the factory in Taiwan or China. They never open the boxes when they arrive at their warehouse in Texas, and simply put it on a UPS truck when an order is received. Because of this, they also don't check to see if the correct parts are in the box, and sometimes they are not. It's pot luck, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
Yes they do.
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Old 02-10-11, 09:24 AM
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The bikes I rode as a kid all had rear coaster brakes only. They were a lot of fun because you could skid out in a hockey stop. I think thats probably why they have those stupid laws that require you can skid to a stop.

They worked but were really impracticable. As we all know, the front brake is the one that stops you.
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Old 02-10-11, 10:59 AM
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coaster brakes are fun but that is just it you are either going to skid to a stop or slow down fairly slowly. You can't ram on the brake and come to a face pulling stop.

None the less I love riding my little coaster bike around, reminds me of being a kid again.
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Old 02-10-11, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Kol.klink
Yes they do.
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Old 02-10-11, 08:22 PM
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So sorry for being nave:

Brakeless fixed gear ego (and superiority?) put aside, is there really a difference in stopping, among these?
1. Brakeless fixed gear
2. Singlespeed with rear caliper/ v brake only
3. Singlespeed with coasterbrake.

Let us hear some scientific explanation.(Not opinion based on 'feelings')
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Old 02-10-11, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tedi k wardhana
is there really a difference in stopping, among these?
1. Brakeless fixed gear
2. Singlespeed with rear caliper/ v brake only
3. Singlespeed with coasterbrake.
Assuming all three of those are capable of easily skidding the rear wheel, no. There is no difference. The maximum braking power you can get from your rear wheel is on the threshold of locking it, at the point where applying more braking force would skid the tire.
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Old 02-10-11, 08:51 PM
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^ Yup

Try to get your front wheel to skid!

Just kidding don't try that....
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Old 02-10-11, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FastJake
Assuming all three of those are capable of easily skidding the rear wheel, no. There is no difference. The maximum braking power you can get from your rear wheel is on the threshold of locking it, at the point where applying more braking force would skid the tire.
Now, is a bike subject to the same much-more-disastrous-than-locking-a-front-brake results of locking a rear brake as a motorcycle is? (Locking a rear on the motorcycle can cause what's called a high-side where unlocking the brake while the bike's in a good lean will promptly eject the rider with a definite upward velocity.) meanwhile if we lock our front we either go a$$ over teacups or let-go of the brake and reapply without locking.
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Old 02-10-11, 09:02 PM
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Pretty much if you wrench on the front brake and it is adjusted nice and tight you could make yourself go over the front. If you lock the rear all that is going to happen is that it will skid. If you are in a corner you may slide and tip over ending up wiping out.
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Old 02-10-11, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by krazygluon
Locking a rear on the motorcycle can cause what's called a high-side where unlocking the brake while the bike's in a good lean will promptly eject the rider with a definite upward velocity.
I don't think this would ever happen on a bicycle, because they weigh so much less. I have a crappy rear tire on my beater so I've been skidding a lot lately. It's very easy to throw the bike sideways once you get the hang of it. The bike has never thrown me off yet. If you're going fast a rear wheel skid can easily result in loss of control (and a crash) but I don't think it'll actually "eject" you off the bike.

Which brings me to part 2! (I need to give Sheldon Brown credit for the contents of this post.) Use your front brake! On clean dry pavement, the front brake will stop you as fast as it's possible to stop, all by itself. The maximum braking you can achieve is when you're braking so hard on the front that the rear wheel is about to lift off the ground. It's actually a bad idea to use both brakes in a panic stop, because the rear tire can skid wildly. Once you learn how to use your front brake you'll be able to stop safer and more quickly.

See also: https://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html
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Originally Posted by krazygluon
Now, is a bike subject to the same much-more-disastrous-than-locking-a-front-brake results of locking a rear brake as a motorcycle is? (Locking a rear on the motorcycle can cause what's called a high-side where unlocking the brake while the bike's in a good lean will promptly eject the rider with a definite upward velocity.) meanwhile if we lock our front we either go a$$ over teacups or let-go of the brake and reapply without locking.
I ride both motorcycles as well as bicycles, and I understand what you are asking. The answer is basically not, since the rotational inertia of a bicycle wheel is a tiny fraction of a motorcycle wheel. Overall, the dynamic behavior of a motorcycle is heavilly dependent on the mass of the motorcycle, which is several times that of the pilot. OTOH, the opposite is the case with a bicycle, where the rider mass represents the majority of the total mass.
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Originally Posted by tedi k wardhana
is there really a difference in stopping, among these?
1. Brakeless fixed gear 2. Singlespeed with rear caliper/ v brake only 3. Singlespeed with coasterbrake.
#1 takes more muscle power than the others (least mechanical advantage)
#2 is the only one that works equally well regardless of the position of the cranks
#2 is the only one that works when you throw your chain
#3 and #1 will not fade when the rim is wet
#3 can overheat and fail on long down-hills
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Old 02-13-11, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by krazygluon

But I am curious, why on the ssfg bikes I see with only 1 brake, is it on the rear?
It's because those people who have their brakes in the rear doesn't know the physics and they are noobs. Honestly thats one way to explain..

Im a noob also but I know the front brake will work much better to the point where my rear wheel will lift up when I brake hard!!!

In every car, motorcycle, front brakes are BIGGER due to more work they do(80~90%) of braking. some cars have disc brakes in the front and drum brakes in the rear because rears don't need much of stopping power.
when you start applying brake, weight shift forward, making rear wheel have less grip and have less friction in hard braking. In the front, weight gets added making it have more grip.

ever seen those motorcycle stoppie stunts?

ever seen those front brake disc of racing car glow orange??


rear brake will only lock up the rear tire, making it similar to fixie skid..

we all know fixie skid doesn't slow you down for ****... many ppl nedd 1000ft to stop when using skid.

Skidding vs gripping?

grip is fater=proven fact.

honestly,, rear brakes bothers me. move it to the front!!!

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I noticed a while back that alot of the SS/FG bikes in Performance(the actual Chicago store) were equipped with rear brakes only. This Included the Fuji Track Pro they had for a while. I asked why one day..and they said liability...they didn't want people flipping over their bars.
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Originally Posted by Chicagoan
I noticed a while back that alot of the SS/FG bikes in Performance(the actual Chicago store) were equipped with rear brakes only. This Included the Fuji Track Pro they had for a while. I asked why one day..and they said liability...they didn't want people flipping over their bars.
that make sense.. flipping over maybe not that good for people and the manufactures.

I never thought of that point of view.

BUT, if you are experienced rider, you all know which one really stops you.

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Originally Posted by Scrodzilla
The Mercier bikes shipped to the U.S. are not designed by the Accell Group (which owns the Mercier name in the rest of the world) .Bikes Direct is one specing all the Mercier and windsor bikes that ship to the US. And they have a lot of control over "what gets put in the box in Taiwan". Which is why BD only ships within the USA
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Soooo long story short just put both! or on a fixed gear put none if you want.

I think everything has been pretty much gone over about 3 times over.
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