i thought those things where to keep your butt on the saddle.

That statement is ****ing dumb

both of your posts in this thread are so full of snob

I can think of two reasons.
1: they don't know better
2: they know better, but like it that way for some reason

but instead of using it as an opportunity to make fun of them to feel superior, try being helpful, and offering some advice?
just a thought

Put on your sneakers and ride on these in the rain without clips and straps 10 times. Then try a week of rain rides on them with clips/straps and come back here and say that again.

http://s.wiggle.co.uk/images/mks-sylvan-track-med.jpg

"Bla bla, slotted cleats, you're doing it wrong, bla."

And track bikes are designed to be ridden on the track.

fixedgear80, you can easily get a basic SPD setup for less than $100. I got my carbon soled Exustars and Eggbeaters for around $80. Be patient/hit up eBay.

Though I will say that my carbon soled MTB shoes are very bad for walking.

I don't think I've ever had a strap run through that extra slot. That area is strictly for use as a release lever in my usage.

I'd rather someone be running their straps upside down then routing them like this:

http://www.wabicycles.com/images/PT12C_w_straps2.gif

Yeah, that's just stupid.

What the?

Did I jump to the BDSM forum?

I would never ride that type of pedal with sneakers or any other type of soft-soled shoe because it would be extremely uncomfortable, regardless of the weather conditions. Those pedals are designed to work with stiff-soled cycling shoes with slotted cleats and clips / straps pulled tight so your foot remains attached to the pedal. Instead, I use a combination of broad-platform or bmx pedals and wide soft straps, such as the Retrogression setup that Scrod sells, which distributes the loading on the foot.

We're getting further off-topic here but there's only a very slight difference between Sylvan Track pedals and these:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5PAf404x7S...3_17540077.jpg

but it's supposedly perfectly okay to use Sylvan Touring pedals with regular shoes.

I'm not trying to start fights here but how would these be any more comfortable?

Surely in the name of science your tootsies can handle the pain for a couple of weeks. I'm not asking you to spin a couple centuries on them just like 10-20 miles a day in the rain. If you wear thick running shoes you'll be fine on those pedals, won't feel a thing.

If you must avoid the MKS, you can run my totally worn out GT platforms with non-replaceable pins for the test. No clips/straps allowed for the first rainy week. They take clips and straps just fine so you can run those for the second rainy week.

Next excuse to completely avoid the point?

has anyone actually ran their straps like that picture posted above? and if so how did it work?

It depends what you mean by "regular shoes." Those would be quite uncomfortable IMO with sneakers for any extended distance, especially riding fixed with clips / straps. They're fine if you wear work or dress shoes with a non-slip sole, since the serrated teeth on the pedal will grip the sole of the shoe w/o digging through and pressing on your foot. I have that style pedal on my 2 SS bikes w/o clips / straps, and they are fine for short distances with sneakers, but start to hurt after a while.

I can't imagine trying to get my feet in there. Maybe with ballerina shoes...

Just say no.

Ask Leukybear. :lol:

What point am I avoiding ? You just agreed with me. I said it was ok to use platform pedals. Read my post again.

You're avoiding the point that clips and straps with regular non-cleated shoes serve a purpose.

Cuz...

I wasn't agreeing with you when I offered to allow you to use some wasted BMX pedals for the riding in the rain without clips and straps test I was just being flexible so that you could do the test without incurring foot discomfort.

You can run some of these if you want. The cages don't rise above the bodies as much as the MKS and the bodies are flatter and more supportive...

http://www.bukalapak.com/system/data...jpg?1302440365

OK, man. Your awesome logic has defeated me. I'm going to replace all my clipless pedals and bmx pedals / wide straps with some sweet narrow track pedals with double Toshis and put some cool Vans slip-ons on my tootsies. Then I'm going to move to the pacific nw so's I can ride in rain all the time to prove the point that some foot retention is indeed better than no foot retention. You win.

Well... I'll just leave this here...

http://bmx.transworld.net/files/2009...kygb_22009.jpg

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