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Scrodzilla 09-14-11 04:53 PM

We most likely won't. A lot of other shops had a bunch pre-ordered before they came out and I kinda slept on it. Sometimes I'd much rather shoot myself in the foot than deal with hype.

Leukybear 09-14-11 05:27 PM

Err so these 2012's are going to ship out this week... while the 2011 histogram just began hitting store shelves...

calbob76 09-14-11 05:49 PM

would ride. would ride histogram first

redpear 09-14-11 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 13226877)
So wait...it's a Kagero with Cinelli logos?

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More like, the Kagero is a Leader version of the MASH. From a chronological standpoint, of course.

hamish5178 09-14-11 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by Leukybear (Post 13227045)
Err so these 2012's are going to ship out this week... while the 2011 histogram just began hitting store shelves...

Yeah, they really sprung these onto the market. Weird. Further enforcing Scrod's theory that they're just repainted 2009s :lol:


Originally Posted by hamfoh (Post 13226087)
anyone have a link to the geo chart of this one vs the normal mash? I'm trying to find out how this could be more comfortable, looks almost identical from a quick look

It is the same as the original Mash, ie, the one I have. There's a geo chart on google. "more comfortable" is totally relative to the "less comfortable" histogram.


Originally Posted by redpear (Post 13227501)
More like, the Kagero is a Leader version of the MASH. From a chronological standpoint, of course.

Mash->Kagero->Bolt

There's a Coke vs. Pepsi thing going on here I think.

Scrodzilla 09-14-11 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by hamish5178 (Post 13227600)
Mash->Kagero->Bolt

There's a Coke vs. Pepsi thing going on here I think.

I know. I was being slightly facetious.

hamfoh 09-14-11 08:29 PM

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where can you buy a kagero anyway? is it half the price of the Mash?


It is the same as the original Mash, ie, the one I have. There's a geo chart on google. "more comfortable" is totally relative to the "less comfortable" histogram.
weird how the naked eye was able to make that distinction. i thought surely there was something I was overlooking. I read "more comfortable" and was suddenly more intrigued than normal (not a *huge* fan of the TT but love the Mash on other people), but nope. i'd hate to order from a place like mashsf to buy a frame, I'm pretty sure they just mark everything up 20% and then another 20%, but I guess a frame price is a frame price (it's just the principle!).

I guess $25 for new paintjob isn't too bad.

geo charts

Scrodzilla 09-14-11 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by hamfoh (Post 13227806)
where can you buy a kagero anyway?

http://www.thekagero.com/

redpear 09-14-11 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by hamish5178 (Post 13227600)
Yeah, they really sprung these onto the market. Weird. Further enforcing Scrod's theory that they're just repainted 2009s :lol:



It is the same as the original Mash, ie, the one I have. There's a geo chart on google. "more comfortable" is totally relative to the "less comfortable" histogram.



Mash->Kagero->Bolt

There's a Coke vs. Pepsi thing going on here I think.

Actually, the first Mash was the bolt (2010). Next mash is histogram, then kagero, then this new colorway of the old bolt.

But yeah it's pointless to argue about this. The resemblance is acknowledged--patrick said so himself.

redpear 09-14-11 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by hamfoh (Post 13227806)
where can you buy a kagero anyway? is it half the price of the Mash?



weird how the naked eye was able to make that distinction. i thought surely there was something I was overlooking. I read "more comfortable" and was suddenly more intrigued than normal (not a *huge* fan of the TT but love the Mash on other people), but nope. i'd hate to order from a place like mashsf to buy a frame, I'm pretty sure they just mark everything up 20% and then another 20%, but I guess a frame price is a frame price (it's just the principle!).

I guess $25 for new paintjob isn't too bad.

geo charts

I'm not sure I understand this either. The Cinelli Vigorelli, Cinelli's other aluminum track frame, is $850. That's the same price as the first mash when it came out. Were people complaining about the Vigorelli's price too? It's not like the Kagero were the price is actually jacked up because of the collabo. Think what you will of Mash, but from an objective point of view I don't get why people think it's some sort of huge rip off. It's a Cinelli. Though, If you think the Vigorelli or other Cinellis are a ripoff, then I guess you're going to think this price is jacked up too.

hairnet 09-14-11 10:33 PM

I feel so out of the loop. wtf is going on?


nevermind, I'll keep my ignorance.

max5480 09-14-11 10:35 PM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 13227625)
I know. I was being slightly facetious.

:lol:

Hamish, I heard Mash reference the "Bolt" graphics when the Histogram graphics came out.


Originally Posted by hamfoh (Post 13227806)
i'd hate to order from a place like mashsf to buy a frame, I'm pretty sure they just mark everything up 20% and then another 20%, but I guess a frame price is a frame price (it's just the principle!).

I bought my frame at Mash SF (the physical location in SF), and the owner was SUPER nice. He also gave me $100 off the frame just because he's cool. He also doesn't look like he's making bank by any means... but who knows?

It's a shame the color is so similar to the Kagero, but seeing how they came out at close to the same time, I think it's just an unfortunate coincidence.

redpear 09-14-11 10:36 PM


nevermind, I'll keep my ignorance.
http://bit.ly/q38fZR

Leukybear 09-14-11 11:29 PM

Not sure about the '09 theory as cinelli's, especially the MASH during release year, sell/ sold very well.... as I recall all cinelli '09 Alu track models ran out of stock.

rustybrown 09-14-11 11:47 PM


Originally Posted by hairnet (Post 13228395)
I feel so out of the loop. wtf is going on?


nevermind, I'll keep my ignorance.

Hipsters discuss faux-pursuit frames of yore.

rustybrown 09-14-11 11:48 PM

P.s.

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redpear 09-14-11 11:52 PM

hahahaha

hamfoh 09-15-11 12:58 AM


Originally Posted by max5480 (Post 13228404)
I bought my frame at Mash SF (the physical location in SF), and the owner was SUPER nice. He also gave me $100 off the frame just because he's cool. He also doesn't look like he's making bank by any means... but who knows?

It's a shame the color is so similar to the Kagero, but seeing how they came out at close to the same time, I think it's just an unfortunate coincidence.

Yeah I just assumed like any other shop the money isn't made on frames, but on the other stuff. I wasn't complaining about the frame price, though I can understand how my terrible post may suggest that, but rather the price of everything else on the site. The frame is exactly what I thought it'd cost.

The Kagero would be a now brainer if it was a lot cheaper than the Cinelli's but I guess two companies have to eat off that frame so it makes sense. I love how it's not blasted with brand stickers though

max5480 09-15-11 01:05 AM

Truth.
It's a shame it says Cinelli on the downtube...

hamfoh 09-15-11 01:10 AM

oh i thought that said 'please steal me' - gotta get my eyes checked :D

max5480 09-15-11 01:20 AM

it means "i wish i were italian" and lived in a black and white world

hamfoh 09-15-11 01:24 AM

lol

rustybrown 09-15-11 02:09 AM


Originally Posted by max5480 (Post 13228752)
it means "i wish i were italian" and lived in a black and white world

http://urbanvelo.org/wordpress/wp-co...9/DSC_8074.jpg

Ooops, wrong thread.

hamfoh 09-15-11 03:02 AM

damn I somehow never noticed the massive seatposts diameters on these before

guimartin 09-15-11 02:29 PM

The guy at my LBS told me the only difference on the geo is the fork haha mash hist is ever so smaller!!! never got to see where he got that info though, ill ask him tomorrow...


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