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Do you have to install a brake on a fixie? (NYC cycling laws)

Old 10-21-11, 09:26 PM
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Do you have to install a brake on a fixie? (NYC cycling laws)

§ 1236 - Lamps and other equipment
• White headlight and red taillight must be used from dusk to dawn;
• Bell or other audible signal (not whistle) required;
• Working brakes required;
• Reflective tires and/or other reflective devices required.

I sold my hybrid, gave my sister my mountain bike (she lives out on Long Island and wanted to start riding trails) and bought a road bike. Now, I'm regretting selling my hybrid, as I hate leaving my "nice" road bike locked up even for five minutes.

I want a cheap bike to have for errands and rainy day commutes, so I'm looking to pull the trigger on a Kilo TT. I don't live in Williamsburg, but I still don't want to be "that guy" using brakes on a fixed gear.

So, does having a "built in brake" override the law of "working brakes required?"
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Old 10-21-11, 09:37 PM
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Probably.

Or pay for your cred via citations during their monthly crackdowns.

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Originally Posted by robberry
I don't live in Williamsburg, but I still don't want to be "that guy" using brakes on a fixed gear.

So, does having a "built in brake" override the law of "working brakes required?"
What's wrong with being "that guy" that isn't getting a ticket, or "that guy" who's not trying to blow his knees out?

To address your question. Not having a brake doesn't equal having a brake no matter how you look at it.
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Run a front brake, and if they give you a hard time tell them the rear is a foot brake.
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Originally Posted by Dannihilator
Run a front brake, and if they give you a hard time tell them the rear is a foot brake.
Does only a front brake = more street cred?
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Originally Posted by robberry
Does only a front brake = more street cred?
Only a front brake is all that's really needed on a fixed gear. Assuming you care about being safe.

Law-wise, it doesn't say they require one on the rear anyways.
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Just buy a brake you trendy bastard.
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Originally Posted by robberry
Does only a front brake = more street cred?
A front brake is the correct place to have one if you are running a single brake on a fixed gear bicycle.

People who make fun of you for not having a brake are gonna be dumbass kids who don't know what they are saying. Do you really feel the need to impress high school youth? I ride without brakes, but I've become comfortable with it over time. If you are super inclined to ride without a brake keep the front one on until you are fully comfortable with not using it.
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honestly i rarely have the need for brakes when riding my fg, but my next build will def have one...better safe than sorry
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Get the Windsor Clockwork or Timeline, they already have brakes.
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Most state laws and provincial laws require a "braking mechanism" or "a means to slow down" on the front and back of the bike. By legal definition, this means I have to run a front brake.

This would also mean that I must run lights after dark (it gets dark around 5PM right now in Canada) but it's one of those laws that are loosely enforced. I've personally never seen a cyclist or known anyone that has been ticketed. Those who remind of the law are typically non-cyclists who are ticked off that I am moving at the same speed of the cars.

It's just smarter to run a front brake, in my opinion. I hardly use it, but when my knees need some rest or if I have to make sudden stops, it sure does come in handy. When you learn to ride so that neither becomes a problem, then lose the brake if you really want to.

Though do keep in mind that if your chain gets derailed for some reason, you lose 100% of your braking ability on a brakeless fixie. If your rear tire gets punctured, you lose a significant amount of control / braking power.
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Originally Posted by pkpyro
Though do keep in mind that if your chain gets derailed for some reason, you lose 100% of your braking ability on a brakeless fixie. If your rear tire gets punctured, you lose a significant amount of control / braking power.
That's enough convincing right there. Definitely neglected that small fact!
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Originally Posted by robberry
That's enough convincing right there. Definitely neglected that small fact!
If this occurs just unclip your right foot and use it as a "scrubber" against the front of the rear tire just behind the seat tube. Amazingly effective actually.
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Originally Posted by Stealthammer
If this occurs just unclip your right foot and use it as a "scrubber" against the front of the rear tire just behind the seat tube. Amazingly effective actually.
Have fun with that in traffic
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Originally Posted by hairnet
Have fun with that in traffic
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Originally Posted by jimmytango
Just buy a brake you trendy bastard.
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Originally Posted by Jaytron
What's wrong with being "that guy" that isn't getting a ticket, or "that guy" who's not trying to blow his knees out?
Do you run a brake? I feel like everyone who runs one makes that knee comment
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i dont skid nearly as much as when i started. the more you learn how the bike works the less you need to brake as you start calculating distances and timing in reducing speed improves. having said that there΄s nothing wrong with having a brake until you feel comfortable.
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Originally Posted by hairnet
Have fun with that in traffic
I certainly don't recommend it as a regular means of controlling speed, but in a pinch, when things are not going as expected, it works.....
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i live in brooklyn, and ride in the city a bunch. haven't had a problem with being stopped for being brakeless.. they care more about running red lights and all that.

but you're gonna want a brake when the tour bus tries to squeeze you out between him and a city bus. that ****'ll get you thinking real quick.
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Originally Posted by robberry
I don't live in Williamsburg, but I still don't want to be "that guy" using brakes on a fixed gear.
You're already "that guy", just in a different way.
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NYPD will ticket you for pretty much anything except riding brakeless.
That being said, I just installed a front brake after enjoying a brakeless summer.
I got my skidding/skip stops down and built up my hipster points (+1000!). Even learned that the horribly named "Zen feeling" people talk about actually isn't entirely a crock (+500). Then I used said hipster points to buy a 31.8 lever (-10000!) for my road drops (-2, they're apparently what the cool kids are rocking these days). Front brake + fenders + 68 GI = bring it on, winter.

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Originally Posted by pkpyro
Most state laws and provincial laws require a "braking mechanism" or "a means to slow down" on the front and back of the bike. By legal definition, this means I have to run a front brake.
nice blanket legal statement. this is completely meaningless information on a state-by-state basis.
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Originally Posted by Stealthammer
If this occurs just unclip your right foot and use it as a "scrubber" against the front of the rear tire just behind the seat tube. Amazingly effective actually.
I tried that once. I can come to a complete stop with my front BB7 before I can get my foot unclipped and in a position against the tire to even start slowing down.
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Originally Posted by Scrodzilla
You're already "that guy", just in a different way.
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