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Want a Lightweight & Relaxed Single Speed....Do I Need to Custom Build?

Old 02-10-12, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fxdgrjedi View Post
if you wanna scream down hills and around corners (brakes are rad) the lower BB on a conversion gets sketchy.
Somehow I just don't see this as being a problem for me. I don't anticipate 3G turns at 40mph on this bike.
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Originally Posted by vpr80 View Post
I don't anticipate 3G turns at 40mph on this bike.
Sounds like a boring trip to the park with the kid...
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Old 02-10-12, 02:19 PM
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hey vpr80, unless i missed it somewhere, can you clarify a couple things?

1) do you want a single speed or a fixed gear? i.e. do you want to be able to coast? you haven't indicated that you want a fixed gear, but everyone keeps treating you like that's what you are after. (for instance, the cornering with low bb is irrelevant on a single speed)

2) if what you want IS a single speed. do you have an objection to a chain tensioner? how much do you care about the aesthetics of not having one? if you don't care, then just get whatever ****ing road frame you want (shoulda kept the 555) and strip it down. you can use any super-lightweight rear road wheel with some spacers, a chain tensioner, and the right ratio and you are good to go. i have done this a couple times on a much tighter budget than you have (like $400-500) and have built sub 17lb bikes. otherwise, as it has been mentioned repeatedly, there aren't many lightweight frames with road geometry and track ends, and ENO hubs are awesome but heavy.

this was my Giant while waiting on my tensioner to come
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Old 02-10-12, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wearyourtruth View Post
1) do you want a single speed or a fixed gear? i.e. do you want to be able to coast? you haven't indicated that you want a fixed gear, but everyone keeps treating you like that's what you are after. (for instance, the cornering with low bb is irrelevant on a single speed)
I don't know. I've never ridden a true fixed gear, but figured that it doesn't matter with flip-flop hubs.

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2) if what you want IS a single speed. do you have an objection to a chain tensioner? how much do you care about the aesthetics of not having one? if you don't care, then just get whatever ****ing road frame you want (shoulda kept the 555) and strip it down. you can use any super-lightweight rear road wheel with some spacers, a chain tensioner, and the right ratio and you are good to go. i have done this a couple times on a much tighter budget than you have (like $400-500) and have built sub 17lb bikes. otherwise, as it has been mentioned repeatedly, there aren't many lightweight frames with road geometry and track ends, and ENO hubs are awesome but heavy.
Yeah tell me about....I really should have kept the LOOK, ohhh well. I still want the bike to look cool so I do care about aesthetics. I like my toys pretty So would much rather prefer no tensioner and like the ENO hub idea better. Even better is a track-frame without any of the extra braze-ons, but those don't seem to exist with easy geo.
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Old 02-10-12, 06:03 PM
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jesus dude you "like your toys pretty?"

HTFU.

you just want a 15 lbs bike because you have some ridiculous notion that derailleurs weigh a pound each.

maybe you should actually RIDE a track bike before writing it off because the 'geo' is 'too aggressive.' i think what you meant this whole time by GEO is RIDING POSITION.

buy a visp complete online and maybe once you've walked the talk for any amount of time you can worry about a sub 15 pound bike. Visps look so fast you won't have to run your mouth, it will just look fast. and when you carry it back upstairs you can experience this thing some of us call 'excercise.'

or just buy a langster.

either way it sounds like you're saying you want a super lightweight road bike that looks like a fixed gear so it will be pretty all because you have no intention of riding it hard at all. which is stupid.

when you want to ride a bike around leisurely that's great, i fully support it. even if you're only doing it for recreation and not for transportation, i would still be glad to see more people on bikes. but they make a bike for that type of riding:


you want a 15 pound bike so you can show it off with your mouth, not your legs. lame.
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Old 02-10-12, 06:10 PM
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Welp, someone had to say it.
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Originally Posted by cc700 View Post
jesus dude you "like your toys pretty?"

HTFU.

you just want a 15 lbs bike because you have some ridiculous notion that derailleurs weigh a pound each.

maybe you should actually RIDE a track bike before writing it off because the 'geo' is 'too aggressive.' i think what you meant this whole time by GEO is RIDING POSITION.

buy a visp complete online and maybe once you've walked the talk for any amount of time you can worry about a sub 15 pound bike. Visps look so fast you won't have to run your mouth, it will just look fast. and when you carry it back upstairs you can experience this thing some of us call 'excercise.'

or just buy a langster.

either way it sounds like you're saying you want a super lightweight road bike that looks like a fixed gear so it will be pretty all because you have no intention of riding it hard at all. which is stupid.

when you want to ride a bike around leisurely that's great, i fully support it. even if you're only doing it for recreation and not for transportation, i would still be glad to see more people on bikes. but they make a bike for that type of riding:


you want a 15 pound bike so you can show it off with your mouth, not your legs. lame.


someone finally laid out for him
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Old 02-10-12, 06:21 PM
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Listen, now that you are done with your little tirade, I said right off the start what I plan to use this bike for. Just because I am not pretending to be a messenger and ride this bike on a daily basis, does not mean I want a 30lb POS. Because the times that I do use it, I want to enjoy it as a high performance machine, ie: the weekend sports car. And yes I want it to look cool, so shoot me for being the only person that wants a cool looking bike. And I am not sure what criteria there are for buying bikes in Seattle, but in NY, I can buy whatever the f--- I want. So, either you can helpfully contribute to the conversation or move on if this is bothering you.

And all the others that actually provided useful feedback and ideas, thank you!
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Old 02-10-12, 06:43 PM
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I don't know where we told you to pretend to be a messenger or anything like that. Nor did we tell you to get a 30 lb POS. I think the bulk of points can be summarized here:
Originally Posted by vpr80 View Post
1) Relaxed/Compact Geometry - Need something comfortable, not a track machine.
I honestly don't know what this means, and I feel like if you knew a little bit about frame geometry you would be just as mystified.
You're trying to do two very different things with the same bicycle--without compromising.

You want the weight of a race bike, with the looks of a race bike, but the comfort of a dutch bike.
So you want an F1 car that feels like a Toyota Camry to drive.

Bicycling is like anything else. You have to make some compromises. Want to know how I'd start? Weight really won't matter all that much on a bike like this.

That explains why we don't 'get' what you're trying to do. But if you can find a way to do it, then do it. It is your bike after all.
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Old 02-10-12, 06:55 PM
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i already gave you great options (if you're looking for lightweight at that price point it doesn't get much better than neuvation) and advice. I already weighed in on your other options in a very useful manner, especially because you don't want a tensioner. but you don't seem to care because everything we suggest you think will either be too agressive or not lightweight enough, and frankly, your little project isn't as important as you think it is.

you said:

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want to get a single speed for the random rides around the city, trip the park with the kid, etc.....
I'm not saying you're trying to fake being a messenger, but you also forget that I am not trying to sell you on a bike. In Seattle, if you walk into a bike shop and say "this is what I want and I will spend 1500" they'll work with it on you and try to make it happen. honestly, i don't think it can be done safely for retail prices, and the only differences between shops is how much time they're willing to waste and how nice they're willing to break it to you that you may have to spend 2 or 3k to get that weight target.
Same in NYC.



Which is probably why you have such unrealistic expectations about our advice- you don't sound like you've done anything but talked to bicycle salesmen that are paid to entertain your stupid, frivolous desires.

We're a community. It's like if you showed up to a party where there were a bunch of bike geeks and asked the same questions you'd ask salesmen. We don't have anything to sell you! You want something that's unrealistic and stupid and everyone here thinks you should just GET A ROAD FRAME WITH AN ENO ECCENTRIC HUB!!!! just do it, or gtfo, or both... or at least act like this is a conversation. you're not even listening to half of the posts in here.

****, if you had said "I want a sub 15 lbs singlespeed" We'd all have enjoyed coming up with a $1500 option, but you aren't taking our advice that you'll have to just get a road frame

A 'cutom' frame is probably the only way you're going to get a sub 1000 gram frame with slacker geo than a roubaix.
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Old 02-10-12, 07:11 PM
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You can certainly build any kind of bike for any kind of money, just keep in mind that a lot of things matter more than the overall weight of the bike.Geometry and frame material have a big impact on handling, heavy rims will feel much worse than a heavier frame,tiresize and quality have a big impact on how the ride feels.For example,my 23lbs geared steel debernardi feels lighter than my 20lbs pake.The pake feels way faster than my 21lbs ti 1x9 mtb ridden on the road.Using my mountain wheelset with aggressive knobbies makes the mtb feel completely different compared to using it with my lighter "road" wheelset with city tires. I guess what i'm sayin' is try a few bikes with different weights and geos before dumping a ton of money into some blind project.
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^ well said
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do like i do,

Convert tri bikes, they have the drop-outs for it useually, and they can be light enough in some cases. Some can be comfy. just a little twitchy in some cases.
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Old 02-10-12, 07:33 PM
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WAIT hold on....at which point did you or anyone else assume that I am disagreeing or not taking your advice? I'm listening to everything that every single person suggested. I have not shot down any options or anyone's suggestions. Quite the contrary, I am just taking it all in and trying to decide. If the criteria listed doesn't work like you explained, I get it, I do.

So I don't know where the miscommunication happened, but I am all ears just bouncing ideas back and forth.
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do like i do,

Convert tri bikes, they have the drop-outs for it useually, and they can be light enough in some cases. Some can be comfy. just a little twitchy in some cases.
There's an idea. "Twitchy" = high-performance, right?
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Wabi Lightning frameset.... splurge on super light components.... under $1500, under 14 pounds.

GG?

GG.
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There's an idea. "Twitchy" = high-performance, right?
nah, just odd nose angles.

lots of time poor toe clearance to. Then... I still I love them. but I am used to riding them and have done a lot of long distance stuff. but then they dont always turn the best. I have been flung my off off one of my faster ones and bent pedals several times. It was an Italian steel tri bike that sat on 650c's, a light weight cheap rim up front, and an open pro rear. weighed in around 16 some odd pounds at a size 54. was still fun but had it's risk. just had to think about high speed turns. Makes my masi seem like an office chair.
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Wabi Lightning frameset.... splurge on super light components.... under $1500, under 14 pounds.
I actually really like this idea. They don't currently have my size, but def will keep an eye out for it.
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It seems like people are getting personally invested on the decisions this dude is making and being super judgmental. I think that you might have set an unrealistic budget for your goal if you are not willing to make compromises. All the same, I'm not going to give you **** foe having that goal. Wether I think it's silly or not if it gets you more stoked on riding your bike you should go for it. Just keep in mind that the more particular you are about getting exactly what you want the more it is going to cost.
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Well, here's an option. You'd likely have to buy it blind, but for $150 they'll let you tweak the specs to your heart's content. Great handmade frame, choice of paint, some choice of components, ability to go custom ... perhaps over your $1500 but probably not by a ton, and it does meet your other requirements. Weight in the end will depend on what parts you put on it. Ditching the steel fork for carbon will help, and I'm sure Marinoni can / will do that for you. I have had a couple Marinonis (though not the Strada) and they are fantastic bikes from a great company.

http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/Html/StradaFr.html

EDIT: click English on the top right hand of the page that opens

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I actually really like this idea. They don't currently have my size, but def will keep an eye out for it.
I suggested the wabi lightning on like page 1
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Just get a Specialized Langster or a Trek T1 or any other numerous frames out there and build it how you want. Lightweight bikes = Cash. I dont know why people are getting bent outta shape over this.
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i don't see why you couldn't set up a super pista or all of those other relatively high-end aluminum frames. just get a relaxed cockpit. get some light wheels. maybe you'll need a light chain or other crap. don't convert a nice road frame. you're done.

i could make my steel/carbon '09 jamis sputnik 15 pounds. it has road geometry. that bike is cheap as hell, if you can find it. this isn't that hard.
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example of a sub 15 lb singlespeed I built from a used Litespeed carbon road frame, with a more relaxed geo (compared to a track bike) I got away with $ because I had a lot of parts already to use, and I built the rear wheel with an eno hub I had myself.

I road this this 30 miles a day and 50+ mile group rides on the weekends People seem to hate it or love it. Parted out to fund my Ritchey


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