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Thoughts on SS Cyclocross Trend

Old 02-21-12, 11:55 AM
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Thoughts on SS Cyclocross Trend

The Felt Breed has been around for a few years now, but it looks like other manufacturers are filling that niche in their lineup too. A few examples:

Felt Breed


Fuji Feather CX


Masi CX SS


Redline Conquest Pro SS frame




My two thoughts would be; I can't believe Kona doesn't have one! And I think they're hot and just right for around town.
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you're kidding right? kona had one WAY before felt even knew what cx was.
http://www.konaworld.co/bike.cfm?content=majorone


and fwiw i think those you mentioned perfectly sum up some of the worst values in the class, although they are all pretty sweet race rigs except for the fuji.
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I have to say with my experience from the shifting Felt (same frame design as Breed), you're definitely getting more than you pay for! without doubt, it's the best frame listed to me. But putting it on the Single Speed forum instead of the Cyclocross forum, I'm trying to get more thoughts on the styling, function for more urban riding, and pros-cons to track-like.
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I believe Raleigh has one too. Ranier?
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My favorite SSCX bike at the moment is the Furley, because its a Raleigh and its so damn versatile. It looking awesome doesn't hurt either.



I've been trying to get a buddy of mine into cycling. We went up to Big Shark and they had a Furley in his size. I know he would've bought the thing if he had the cash on hand. They are really nice bikes.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
I believe Raleigh has one too. Ranier?
I wasn't aware that they sold them as completes. Regardless, that is one sexy frame.
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uh, it's generally better in every single way for street riding, speaking from my experience on three cross bikes (two of which SS) and one redline conquest SS that wasn't my size for a couple weeks before i flipped it... so four cross bikes... vs. three track bikes on street use.

except for supping sqrrls. track bikes are better for that unless you're at a cross race.

see also
http://gomeansgo.org/2011/10/28/new-bike-day/
also in hodala garb
ranier also in high life garb

i'm partial to the scandium bikes myself.
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I wasn't aware that they sold them as completes. Regardless, that is one sexy frame.
I think that's right, that it's only available as a frameset. It's on my shortlist.

Also, there's the On-One Pompino:



That's a screaming deal. The big drawback for me is that it won't take a tire bigger than 28mm. I suspect you could get a Michelin Mud 2 in there as they run a little small, but the real fatties won't fit.
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uhh, to say nothing of mud clearance, i've seen il pomps with 35c's in them. probably farther back in the dropout, but...
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For a racing SS CX bike IMHO you are better off getting a BB30 geared frameset and using one of these. http://beercomponents.com/


A team mate designed these and has them built locally. If they are good enough for this guy they are good enough for you.
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The All City Nature Boy, seems awesome!



Also I'm looking into this one (Columbus Life Tubing) but haven't hear much about it:
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Originally Posted by Cynikal View Post
For a racing SS CX bike IMHO you are better off getting a BB30 geared frameset and using one of these. http://beercomponents.com/


A team mate designed these and has them built locally. If they are good enough for this guy they are good enough for you.
That's a pretty hot bike there!
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i would not race on 16 spokes.

(nobody research this please)

also, my nature boy is better.

also, like three of my friends/teammates have nature boys and love them, also, two of my friends/teammates have traitors and love them. okay, so one of my teammates had a little trouble with the fork clearance, but...

also, the bb30 ebb is a good solution (if you want the quickest wheel changes) but, let's count how many bb30 frames are available for cross:
raleigh rxc
roper/furley
van dessel g+t
lots of others that i don't know about because they're all geared...

and now let's now count the ones that aren't stupidly expensive;
...
i think the furley is the only inexpensive ebb available. in that, for the cost of the other framesets you could buy a furley complete.
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Out of the list posted, I'd say for pure racing the Felt is the most race-worthy. BB30 (not that it matters that much), a full carbon fork tapered down to 1.5" (definitely matters, especially if you're running canti's), very nice quality aluminum, lightweight and stiff.

I race a Kona JTS and love it; very similar to the Breed but set up for gears.

Additionally I've borrowed a friend's Nature Boy to race SS on and liked it a lot; it's great geometry and a very fun ride, but the weight is a bit high if you're competitive - a carbon work would be a good upgrade if you're really all about steel frames only.

Next year I plan on having a dedicated SS big in addition to my geared bike, and I'm basically on the fence between Nature Boy + full carbon fork (team discount applies on this one), another Kona JTS set up with those eccentric BB30 deals (because I love the frame and it fits like a glove), or a Breed. One nice thing about the BB30 eccentric conversion for actual racing is it means the fastest rear wheel swap possible for changing a flat in the pit on your SS bike.
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a really awesome frame (also streed-cred wise) is the raleigh twin six sscx which i’m (trying) to build up at the moment... the details are really awesome for an off the line frame... i’l surelly get round to telling you how it rides as soon as i’ve solved my problem in the bike-mechanics section

i must agree though the fujis geometry looks much more like a urban/track-bike than a cross bike...
imo it’s a bit sad felt didn’t but disc-brakes on the new breed... since they are now uci conform. and i think the would really fit the aggressive futuristic design...
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a really awesome frame (also streed-cred wise) is the raleigh twin six sscx which i’m (trying) to build up at the moment... the details are really awesome for an off the line frame... i’l surelly get round to telling you how it rides as soon as i’ve solved my problem in the bike-mechanics section

i must agree though the fujis geometry looks much more like a urban/track-bike than a cross bike...
imo it’s a bit sad felt didn’t but disc-brakes on the new breed... since they are now uci conform. and i think the would really fit the aggressive futuristic design...
I bet it'll have disc brakes next year.
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That Fuji Feather CX is not even close to a valid CXSS bike, imho. The Raleigh is a brick. I took one for a test ride and felt that it was built around an urban-touring design, not a CX one. The All-City is the peach, imho followed closely by the Twin Six Raleigh.

If I was going to build up something Scandium, I wouldn't look past the Salsa Chilo Con Crosso frame shipped @ $836.58.



You get BB30 and a swappable geared/ss setup.
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a full carbon fork tapered down to 1.5" (definitely matters, especially if you're running canti's)
Why?
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Ah that ebb is really cool. I wish my Empella had bb30, it would be fun to switch it up and run ss.
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Why?
Brake shudder on light carbon fork is an issue with canti's. The tapered steer tube adds rigidity which helps a bunch. I'm moving to mini-V brakes to solve my issues.

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Brake shudder on light carbon fork is an issue with canti's.
thanks for the info
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Yep, he hit it spot on. Not too much of an issue for me as I run mini-V's now (CX9's).

Actually, for a non-disc setup in general, I'd really recommend a front mini-V above all else for the stopping power, and then a rear canti or mini-V depending on preference. Mini-V's on the rear don't have as good of modulation and if you don't set them up perfectly they can be more prone to locking up the rear wheel without warning, so going for the 'mullet setup' of canti rear/mini-V front can give you the best of both worlds: great modulation and great total stopping power. (Of course, if you're handy with a wrench and keep your rims fairly true, you can also get good modulation and lever feel on a rear V too.)

All in all, tapered steer tubes are the future and make a lot of sense for cross. Discs are also the future, but they're $$$$$$...
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I'm getting the CX8.4's as I have Rival on my racer. I like the mullet idea. That way I can use one set for both my cross bikes.


As for disks, they would be nice for an all-around bike but for racing I wouldn't want them. I already have too many wheelsets due to CX.
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Originally Posted by Cynikal View Post
For a racing SS CX bike IMHO you are better off getting a BB30 geared frameset and using one of these. http://beercomponents.com/
The downside to eccentric BBs is that a gear change changes the relation of saddle and bb. Adjusting the saddle to the new bb location then changes the saddle/cockpit relation. I'm not that picky but i know people that dial things in to the mm and any change is a big deal for them.
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A shame Bianchi doesn't make the San Jose anymore. It would be a very different bike than what's pictured.
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