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yeah what i am saying is you can buy those (phil) bearings for any hub...

One more time. The bearings that PW puts in their hubs have much better water resistance than the after market bearings that they sell for non-PW hubs.

Wait...what are you saying?

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So the PW stock bearings are the same PW bearings that I can buy, right?

They have different dimensions guys.

You mean they're not 3D like the rest of the physical world???

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Not exactly. My point in theory; if someone were to put a philwood bearing into another hub, the event would theoretically according to my research violate the 3rd dimension and touch or cross paths with the 4th. Ultimately resulting in a rip in the time space continuum generating a ripple in time which changes all history of mankind, jacka$$ifying all bikes sound and the like.

My bad for actually trying to post good info on BF SS/FG. I neglected to take into account that it's mostly populated by pretentious children try to seem too clever on the internet. Carry on, kids, and have a nice ride!

lol thanks dude.

I was joking.

Anyway, I heard you can put Phil bearings in any hub. Any truth to that?

well the good stuff I've tried and liked is/are

Dura-Ace
Phil
Yobi

not in any order
I've also ridden Miche and Formula and Gran Compe those are ell meh compared to the top 3 so for now my list is top 3

All joking aside - yes, we get what you're saying. Phil Woods intentionally has two standards for which they produce and sell their bearings. But, my only question is this....

...if you have to replace your PW bearings when they eventually wear out, does Phil Wood check to see if they should screw you over by giving you their lesser bearings, or are you given a special order item of quality bearings again?

It seems like that would hurt them financially having to produce and maintain a different set for different customers.

I'd wager whatever "improvement" you're seeing between the two has to do with the actual fitment of the bearing into their hub more than them intentionally sabotaging their own product to appear better. It probably has to do with their inability to manage the quality control of Shimano, Formula, Surly directly. So while they can test fit the bearing to a degree, they can't fine tune that bearing to a valid pool of hubs.

Sometimes pretentious has more to do with not wanting to be so dry as to be uninteresting.

Hahaha!!

+1

I'll never use hubs with Allen bolts on a rear wheel again.

How can you rank hubs without knowing their application?

There's not much point in comparing a Dura-Ace track hub to a sealed-bearing Phil hub for instance, they're for totally different applications.

PW hubs have a different size bearing than standard hub bearings which usually take size 6000 or 6001, so when you get replacement bearings for your PW you get their top shelf bearings.

application?
 

people don't use DA on the street or Phil on the track?

Well, yeah they do, but Phils would be "better" on the road vs. DA and DA "better" on the track than Phils. How can you "rank" them against each other without knowing what they're for?

So, Santaria, what are you going to use them for?

comparison
 

You can compare them against each other.
price
weight
material
looks
observed quality
features
etc...

I'm actually not; the thread was created just to offer a valid place to discuss hub quality and the various levels. We see a lot of people come to this sub-forum asking if their weinmann wheelset is better than the formula, etc. in conjunction with the D.A., PW, et al threads where people wax poetic about their one hang-up or love affair with a specific manufacturer. I felt like we really needed a thread that (after the initial explosion of comments) could turn into a valid place for new riders to get some idea of what is out there, why its worth what it is and where they can fit in based on their needs.

tl;dr

to many micro-threads about hubs (and BBs, etc) where people want to know why they should be a better option than another. This would be a good place to start.