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Help me out with what part I need to buy(Riding position related)

Old 07-14-12, 09:04 PM
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Help me out with what part I need to buy(Riding position related)

So this is my bike..


I've recently been buying a lot of parts for it, but have one major problem with it. I find my self wanting to sit farther back on my saddle constantly. I have my seat set MAX as back as it will go back as you can see form the picture. Do I need a new post?? Or a new stem?? Saddle?

I'm seem to always be pushing my self back onto the back part of it to get comfortable. What do I need!?
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are you riding hands on tops 24/7?
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could be,

longer stem
extra setback seat post
maybe wider saddle
longer cranks
bigger frame
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
are you riding hands on tops 24/7?
I typically ride with my hands cupped over the top part of the bend in bars. So, I guess you could say I do.

Also, thanks hairnet. I've never thought about longer cranks. Maybe I should start with an extra setback seat post? Seems like the cheapest route.
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the crank thing was 1/2 serious. I support longer stem and post, but first pics of you riding
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Originally Posted by hairnet
the crank thing was 1/2 serious. I support longer stem and post, but first pics of you riding
I'll try and get one tomorrow. I can tell you right now the frame is honestly about 2cm to small. So, hoping I can find a way around it.
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IIRC, that is a Madison? The stock seatpost on them is about 20mm setback. I remember seeing a 30mm setback seatpost but can't remember the maker. A longer stem can also help, but remember that the stem length should not be relative to your saddle fore/aft position. Saddle fore/aft should be relative to the bottom bracket spindle to ensure correct pedal stroke positioning. However, you noted that the frame may be too small for you - and if that is the case then the top tube very well can be too short for your body and a longer stem will give you a more correct feel of the bike and you may not want to be pushing back on the bars as much.
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Wait - the more I look at the picture you posted in the first post, are you sure you have your seat high enough? The reason I ask is before I gave the wife my 2011 Madison, I had the size that fit me (Large, and I'm 5'11") and I had alot more seatpost showing that you do. Due to the sloping top tube design, it is quite common to have alot of seat post showing. If your seat is too low, you will definately be wanting to keep pushing yourself back on it. Have you done the heel to pedal, general ball park fit check?
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Originally Posted by DevinL
I'm seem to always be pushing my self back onto the back part of it to get comfortable. What do I need!?
A bigger frame.
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I'll try and raise my seat some more then bfloyd. I'm about 6'2 so the frame is really the problem, but it's going to have to do. If that doesn't seem to help I'll grab a longer stem. Thanks for all the help guys.
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If you haven't already try inverting your stem. That can make a difference in the way your bike feels, especially your arm and shoulder comfort on the bike, if that's what is bothering you now. It could be that inverting the stem will work for you, so I'd try that before buying a new one.
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Originally Posted by DevinL
So this is my bike..


I've recently been buying a lot of parts for it, but have one major problem with it. I find my self wanting to sit farther back on my saddle constantly. I have my seat set MAX as back as it will go back as you can see form the picture. Do I need a new post?? Or a new stem?? Saddle?

I'm seem to always be pushing my self back onto the back part of it to get comfortable. What do I need!?
You need to go to a bike shop and have either a basic or comprehensive fit done. You will spend LOTS of time and money doing it via trial and error.

This post is no different than me writing, "Help, my suit doesn't fit. What should I do? Here's a pic."

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Not really. I don't care to spend $30-40 extra just to make it a little bit more comfortable. This is my main bike right now, but I plan on dropping a lot on a road bike in the very near future. Not looking to buy a new frame for a single speed.

Sure is a lot of pretentious dicks in this forum. Makes sense though.

Thanks for the help.
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Could be that aggressive angles don't agree with you, either.
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Originally Posted by DevinL
Sure is a lot of pretentious dicks in this forum. Makes sense though.
Yeah I hate when people offer me helpful advice. Buncha jerks...
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Originally Posted by Scrodzilla
A bigger frame.
Not necessarily. I ride with my saddle pushed all the way forward on the rails because I have comparatively short femurs so I need to sit farther forward to keep comfortable with my knee over the pedal spindle. Maybe he has long femurs and shorter tibia/fibula?
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As carleton suggested, the OP should have a fitting done or at least do one himself.
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Yeah I hate when people offer me helpful advice. Buncha jerks...
I'm very thankful for the people who offered useable advice. Like I said, I'm not trying to dump a ton of money into this. I was hoping I could get away with spending $30-40 for a little bit more comfort. Saving for a road bike is taking a lot longer than I originally had thought.
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Something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Back-Seatpost-...=bike+seatpost

or this:

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Back-Bic...urved+seatpost

Maybe? It will let you place your seat back a little bit. Not saying exact part, but something of similar structure.
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Originally Posted by DevinL
I'm very thankful for the people who offered useable advice. Like I said, I'm not trying to dump a ton of money into this. I was hoping I could get away with spending $30-40 for a little bit more comfort. Saving for a road bike is taking a lot longer than I originally had thought.
1) Cycling is not an inexpensive hobby like running or basketball. You have to buy properly sized equipment and maintain it. You are gonna have to spend some money sometime. Understand that and don't be upset about it.

2) This cannot reasonably be done online. If you want the bike to fit, you will have to either:

- Be lucky and have the bike already fit you...or
- Know what you are doing...or
- Spend money buying multiple frames, saddles, stems, seatposts, etc... until you luck up into the right combination...or
- Ask a friend to help you in-person...or
- Pay a professional in bike shop to help you. (Note: All bike shops don't charge the same for this service. Some are much less than others.)..or
- Post photo after photo after photo of yourself online then listen to dozens of people tell you what they think you should do.

That's it. Those are your options.

Also note that only the first option (be lucky) means that you won't have to spend any money. The other options probably involve spending some sort of money (new stem, bike fit, new frame,...)

Contrary to popular belief, a bike fit is worth it if you want to make sure that you get the most efficient, effective, and comfortable experience. Imagine running a long foot race or simply walking to school/work in ill-fitting shoes.
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Originally Posted by cafzali
If you haven't already try inverting your stem. That can make a difference in the way your bike feels, especially your arm and shoulder comfort on the bike, if that's what is bothering you now. It could be that inverting the stem will work for you, so I'd try that before buying a new one.

Can't do, the stem is a quill type.

@ DevinL - I understand you are getting a new road bike and alot of your money is going into that, but an alternative to your small Madison problem is that Nashbar has their Nekkid aluminum frame for a hundred bucks. Next up could be a Pake Rum Runner for $175-ish. Just other options is you want to keep a FG/SS as well as the roadie.
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Originally Posted by Scrodzilla
As carleton suggested, the OP should have a fitting done or at least do one himself.
I figured out my perfect drop bar bike fit the hard way. Took about 10 years and a couple hundred dollars in parts but it was fun
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Originally Posted by DevinL
Not really. I don't care to spend $30-40 extra just to make it a little bit more comfortable. This is my main bike right now, but I plan on dropping a lot on a road bike in the very near future. Not looking to buy a new frame for a single speed.

Sure is a lot of pretentious dicks in this forum. Makes sense though.

Thanks for the help.
Wouldn't getting a comprehensive fitting be beneficial in the long run? You will know what you need when buying a road bike, which typically is more expensive than a single speed.

Also, if you know your frame is too small, then why are you asking what part you need? You stated the answer to your own question.
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Originally Posted by Jared.
Wouldn't getting a comprehensive fitting be beneficial in the long run? You will know what you need when buying a road bike, which typically is more expensive than a single speed.

Also, if you know your frame is too small, then why are you asking what part you need? You stated the answer to your own question.
Oh, definitely getting a fit at the local shop before I buy the road bike. I was hoping there might be an "easy cheap" semi fix for the frame being a tad to small is all.
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