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Old 11-07-12, 06:04 PM
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Are these any good?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FRESCO-SINGL...item416ae19d9c

I've always wondered about building a super cheap lightweight track bike just for the heck of it. Are these (suspiciously) cheap frames any good? Also I am COMPLETELY new to fixies, and I'm not even considering buying one yet, but I want to know my options, and whether it'd be worth it. How light can a track/fixed bike be?
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Nope.

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the welds, my god
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Well then I think my suspicion is confirmed. These suck. How cheap can I build a fixie that weights 10-15lbs and still be reliable, lasting, and stiff?
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What you want will cost a couple grand. Take a look at here to start out. Much cheaper than building.
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Okay, then I'll rephrase: How cheap can I build a fixie that weights 10-15lbs and still be reliable, lasting, and stiff; using a used frame, some spare parts, and also some new parts on average?
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$1,000.
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Originally Posted by Street rider
A couple grand.
Nah. Just ENO hub any reasonably light road frame.
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I think you have a warped reality of how much most bicycles weigh
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No... I just figured fixies are way lighter due to their lack of derailleurs, shifters, sometimes front brakes, freewheel-hubs, extra gears, and did I mention extra gears?

What about these?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vilano-Fixed...item1e6f6606c1
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Vilano's are horrible. Go to your LBS and buy complete, get fitted, etc. if you have any competent shops nearby. If not, Kilo TT.
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Originally Posted by masterofsilence
Well then I think my suspicion is confirmed. These suck. How cheap can I build a fixie that weights 10-15lbs and still be reliable, lasting, and stiff?
That would be kinda tough with those generic frames. Frame/fork = 7.5 lbs in a 56!
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Originally Posted by masterofsilence
Okay, then I'll rephrase: How cheap can I build a fixie that weights 10-15lbs and still be reliable, lasting, and stiff; using a used frame, some spare parts, and also some new parts on average?
15 pounds is pretty seriously light. Even for a 'fixie'. The classic line here is 'light, cheap, reliable: pick two'.

Building it up, you might get there for less than a grand, but you'll need some serious ebay time and some serious patience. And possibly some converted road parts.

Just to really bring this home, here's a link to the bike that merckx rode for the hour record. It is pretty much the zenith of anything you'll see with 'conventional' (non carbon) materials. Given the budget you're talking, I doubt you'll get near much carbon... anything. It is 12#, but once you get clinchers on there and ditch all the drillium, I'd bet this bike is much nearer 15#.
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My question to you is would you really trust a light weight bike that is cheap?
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Here's a site that might help... (but if you start with a 7.5 lb frameset and buy all parts retail, bike will cost $4386)

https://weightweenies.starbike.com/listings.php
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Originally Posted by xavier853
the welds, my god
Those look like really rough robotic welds
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
Here's a site that might help... (but if you start with a 7.5 lb frameset and buy all parts retail, bike will cost $4386)

https://weightweenies.starbike.com/listings.php
Looking through the listings there, and noticed someone put up the weight of fork seals..... Oy.
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What's wrong with the welds on that bike in the OP...?
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They were done by Helen Keller.
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They were done by Helen Keller.
Ouch. 'Cause here I am thinking to myself, "Dang, these people are hatin' on these welds that look better than anything I could TIG..."
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What's wrong with the welds on that bike in the OP...?
There's nothing wrong w/the welds on that bike. A machine did it as a manual weld looking like that would cost more.
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**** this thread.
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Originally Posted by mconlonx
Ouch. 'Cause here I am thinking to myself, "Dang, these people are hatin' on these welds that look better than anything I could TIG..."
Me too. I spent a couple of years welding at the local community college and spend a LOT of time around welded aluminum jet boats and would be happy if I got welds like that.
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Me too. I spent a couple of years welding at the local community college and spend a LOT of time around welded aluminum jet boats and would be happy if I got welds like that.
Which is why you're not a framebuilder. Those nasty welds don't belong on a bicycle frame.
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10-15 lbs... kinda unrealistic. If you want a light bike, get a Wabi. 16-18 lbs depending on the model. Any lighter and you'd have to pay pretty significantly and something tells me you don't got that kinda money (no offense).
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