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rms13 10-18-13 03:25 PM

Explain skip stopping to me
 
I was riding single speed for a while but just converted to fixed a few months ago. I have no problems skidding but I keep reading that skip stopping is more efficient or stops you faster.

I have read Sheldon Brown's definition of skip stopping and watched some youtube videos and to me it seems like it's essentially the same thing as skidding. Am I missing something?

Mumonkan 10-18-13 03:32 PM

you just lift your back tire up to do a series of little skids, i never understood why people say its better

seau grateau 10-18-13 03:33 PM

Skip stopping generally involves hopping the wheel a few times to do several mini-skids in succession. Every time you skip, you can better resist the motion of the pedals, making it a more effective way to slow down the bike as opposed to one continuous skid.

rms13 10-18-13 03:40 PM

Got it. I can't seem to lift the rear wheel. I stand up and lock my legs to skid. Maybe it will just come with experience

Mumonkan 10-18-13 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by seau grateau (Post 16172300)
Skip stopping generally involves hopping the wheel a few times to do several mini-skids in succession. Every time you skip, you can better resist the motion of the pedals, making it a more effective way to slow down the bike as opposed to one continuous skid.

http://img.pandawhale.com/39558-Yeah...e-gif-j7xI.gif

Huffandstuff 10-18-13 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by rms13 (Post 16172315)
Got it. I can't seem to lift the rear wheel. I stand up and lock my legs to skid. Maybe it will just come with experience

Do you have foot retention? If so(and you should) its just as easy as hopping since your feet come up which pulls the bike up.

rms13 10-18-13 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by Huffandstuff (Post 16172552)
Do you have foot retention? If so(and you should) its just as easy as hopping since your feet come up which pulls the bike up.

Yeah, I have shoes and clipless pedals. So I basically need to bunny hop while skipping

seau grateau 10-18-13 06:00 PM

Yeah, front wheel generally stays on the ground though. It feels a bit weird at first, and then you're like "Oh. This is easy."

solipsist716 10-18-13 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by Mumonkan (Post 16172297)
you just lift your back tire up to do a series of little skids, i never understood why people say its better

Moar sw8 fixay sqrl suppage per capita.

Leukybear 10-19-13 12:26 AM


Originally Posted by Leukybear (Post 16086952)
Moderating speed with bunny hop skids.
Often times you find yourself going too fast and without a brake because in hindsight it was worth it to be "cool" and what's "in". You've judged doing a complete skid to a usual stop too risky or outright impossible because your legs aren't strong enough to handle the torque of our bike's drivetrain. You might tip over or get speed wobbles and eat asphalt with a side of road rash. What do you do? You can moderate your speed by doing bunny hop skids. If you've ever seen a FGFS "edit" video, you might notice that riders pop up their rear wheels a couple of times right before performing a trick. That is a bunny hop skid, it helps moderate speed at minimal effort in the case you're going too fast. In essence its name describes what it is. A bunny hop skid can be described as a mini skid where you would stand up while leaning forward and hop up while in your toe cages. What this does is, you will pop up your rear wheel off the ground and into the air, slowing it down, and in principle the drag of it will slow you down as a whole when it makes contact with the ground again. This may seem to do little in slowing you down but it is meant to be done multiple times continually until you're at the speed desired, able to perform a longer skid, or apply enough backpedaling to stop.

^^ From the techniques 101 thread

DiegoFrogs 10-19-13 11:10 AM

There's nothing efficient about skidding or skipping. In fact, cars have some pretty advanced control systems built in to prevent skidding, which helps minimize stopping distance while panic braking.

Huffandstuff 10-19-13 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs (Post 16173975)
There's nothing efficient about skidding or skipping. In fact, cars have some pretty advanced control systems built in to prevent skidding, which helps minimize stopping distance while panic braking.

But if you don't skid, how are you going to get the girls?

Scrodzilla 10-19-13 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs (Post 16173975)
There's nothing efficient about skidding or skipping. In fact, cars have some pretty advanced control systems built in to prevent skidding, which helps minimize stopping distance while panic braking.

Having fun is totally stupid and uncalled for. Bikes are serious business, kids.

DiegoFrogs 10-19-13 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by Huffandstuff (Post 16173983)
But if you don't skid, how are you going to get the girls?

I use cash in the seedy parts of town.


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 16173985)
Having fun is totally stupid and uncalled for. Bikes are serious business, kids.

Several of the other replies and the original posting implied that it's a "more effective" way of stopping. I just refuse to be a knowledgeable person who sits by while people discuss its effectiveness when it's actually ineffective.

rms13 10-19-13 12:42 PM

I am riding a track bike that doesn't have mount for a rear brake, otherwise I would run both. I have a front brake but it's not always accessible depending on where my hands are. The brake is on the flat of my bullhorn so in heavy traffic and intersections I ride with my hands covering it and also gives me more up right heads up position in traffic. But on quieter side streets I like to be able to ride on the bar ends and use my legs to slow and stop and occasionally pedestrians, animals and cars do stupid stuff and I need to stop quickly so I'm just trying to see what my best option is when the brake is not in easy reach

seau grateau 10-19-13 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs (Post 16174053)
I use cash in the seedy parts of town.



Several of the other replies and the original posting implied that it's a "more effective" way of stopping. I just refuse to be a knowledgeable person who sits by while people discuss its effectiveness when it's actually ineffective.


http://i.imgur.com/Uq9Wuwu.png

jlafitte 10-20-13 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs (Post 16174053)
I use cash in the seedy parts of town.

^^ that was funny. Give the dude credit.

Steev 10-20-13 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs (Post 16174053)
I use cash in the seedy parts of town.

I wonder if that's cheaper in the long run than burning through all those tires with sw8 skidz.

street_sweeper 10-21-13 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by rms13 (Post 16174169)
I am riding a track bike that doesn't have mount for a rear brake, otherwise I would run both. I have a front brake but it's not always accessible depending on where my hands are. The brake is on the flat of my bullhorn so in heavy traffic and intersections I ride with my hands covering it and also gives me more up right heads up position in traffic. But on quieter side streets I like to be able to ride on the bar ends and use my legs to slow and stop and occasionally pedestrians, animals and cars do stupid stuff and I need to stop quickly so I'm just trying to see what my best option is when the brake is not in easy reach

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http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...58_-1___202418

now you can brake where your hands are!

Scrodzilla 10-21-13 06:42 AM

This thread isn't about brakes or their effectiveness. It's about the OP wanting to learn how to do skip skids.

Mumonkan 10-21-13 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by DiegoFrogs (Post 16174053)
Several of the other replies and the original posting implied that it's a "more effective" way of stopping. I just refuse to be a knowledgeable person who sits by while people discuss its effectiveness when it's actually ineffective.

when it was mentioned as "more effective" it was only meant to be moreso than a regular block long skid

noone ever said any kind of skid was better than using a brake

prooftheory 10-21-13 07:17 AM

I wish I could read. This thread might be useful.

Scrodzilla 10-21-13 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by prooftheory (Post 16177790)
I wish I could read. This forum might be useful.

fixed. :)

europa 10-22-13 01:51 AM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 16177714)
This thread isn't about brakes or their effectiveness. It's about the OP wanting to learn how to do skip skids.

Yeah, but skip stops and skids are sooooooo much easier with brakes :)

Jandro 10-22-13 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla (Post 16177714)
This thread isn't about brakes or their effectiveness. It's about the OP wanting to learn how to do skip skids.

This.


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