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Getting new rims vs whole new wheelset? The cheaper the better

Old 11-13-14, 12:04 PM
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Getting new rims vs whole new wheelset? The cheaper the better

I have a set of eighth inch Tessa wheels in blue, they're supernheavy but run formula hubs. I want new rims. Rims that are lighter and not bright blue, also hopefully an upgrade over mine. Found these for only 130, they're super cheap and run formula hubs to mavic rims. Think they're decent ?

Mavic CXP22 Black Fixed Gear Track Bike Singlespeed Wheelset DT Mavic CXP 22 black rims Formula hubs Fixed gear wheelset [w1204] - $129.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike
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Go ride yer f*ckin bike already.
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Originally Posted by dpc1192
I have a set of eighth inch Tessa wheels in blue, they're supernheavy but run formula hubs. I want new rims. Rims that are lighter and not bright blue, also hopefully an upgrade over mine. Found these for only 130, they're super cheap and run formula hubs to mavic rims. Think they're decent ?

Mavic CXP22 Black Fixed Gear Track Bike Singlespeed Wheelset DT Mavic CXP 22 black rims Formula hubs Fixed gear wheelset [w1204] - $129.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike
Good price. Not "light" though. They'd be fine for me, but you want "Light".
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Originally Posted by T13
Dude.
Go ride yer f*ckin bike already.
Seriously! Like I said here.
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If you take your wheel to a quality wheelbuilder, you can get nice rims of your choice, spokes and spoke pattern to best suit your riding style and have a much higher quality wheel than anything you can buy off the shelf, trouble free and long lasting.

Cost: I will guess $70/rim, $60/wheelset of spokes, $50 build = $180/wheel. Add a $140 hubset and you are looking at $500 for some sweet wheels that will last years. Do it yourself, use boat trailer hub grease on the threads and you can save the $100 for the builds and when the rims are tired, you can tape a new one alongside the old, swap the spokes over to the new and re-true. Brand new wheels for $120! That $520 will keep you rolling in style for years.

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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
If you take your wheel to a quality wheelbuilder, you can get nice rims of your choice, spokes and spoke pattern to best suit your riding style and have a much higher quality wheel than anything you can buy off the shelf, trouble free and long lasting.

Cost: I will guess $70/rim, $60/wheelset of spokes, $50 build = $180/wheel. Add a $140 hubset and you are looking at $500 for some sweet wheels that will last years. Do it yourself, use boat trailer hub grease on the threads and you can save the $100 for the builds and when the rims are tired, you can tape a new one alongside the old, swap the spokes over to the new and re-true. Brand new wheels for $120! That $520 will keep you rolling in style for years.

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This guy "dropped his bike off for a new chain and a new stem". I doubt he's he's gonna build his own wheels.
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Maybe my post will get him thinking.


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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
Maybe my post will get him to completely **** up a wheel build, then need to buy new wheels anyway.
Fixed.
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
If you take your wheel to a quality wheelbuilder, you can get nice rims of your choice, spokes and spoke pattern to best suit your riding style and have a much higher quality wheel than anything you can buy off the shelf, trouble free and long lasting.

Cost: I will guess $70/rim, $60/wheelset of spokes, $50 build = $180/wheel. Add a $140 hubset and you are looking at $500 for some sweet wheels that will last years. Do it yourself, use boat trailer hub grease on the threads and you can save the $100 for the builds and when the rims are tired, you can tape a new one alongside the old, swap the spokes over to the new and re-true. Brand new wheels for $120! That $520 will keep you rolling in style for years.

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Where are you buying spokes? OUCH!
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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet
Where are you buying spokes? OUCH!
If I want to buy spokes here, they'll cost me a dollar a spoke ... then I'll have to buy nipples. That's just for common or garden type plain gauge spokes too. This is why I've got a nice supply of used spokes (low mileage) in the shed, the problem being that so far, they've always been the wrong flamin' length. Sadly, the most frustrating part of building wheels is not the lacing or the truing, it's all the mucking about getting to that point.

On the other hand, I can email a bloke on the other side of the world, tell him what I want and he'll supply what I need for a decent price (still pricey but it's bike stuff, it's supposed to be pricey).

As for the OP. If you like them wheels, buy them and see. You'll learn something and whatever wheels aren't used will still form the basis of another build in the future. There's a reason most of us have too many bike bits sitting around unused (they're waiting for their next project).

Another thing to consider is that no-one can tell you how something feels to you or how much difference you'll notice, it's too personal and what is important to me may well be irrelevant or not even noticed by you. This is why Miss Congeniality keeps telling you to just go ride your bike. Wear the bloody thing out and you'll learn far more than you'll ever learn on here, even when listening to experts like me.
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Originally Posted by europa
If I want to buy spokes here, they'll cost me a dollar a spoke ... then I'll have to buy nipples. .
Sapim stainless 14G spokes, cut and rolled to length, any quantity, including 14mm brass polyax nipple for .25 Cents.

If you buy 72, including shipping costs to Australia, it would break down to .64 Cents each. That's with the nipples. The shipping fee is a flat rate up to 2 lbs, so the more you buy, the cheaper they are.

14/15/14 double butted would run you .78 including nipple and freight.

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet
Sapim stainless 14G spokes, cut and rolled to length, any quantity, including 14mm brass polyax nipple for .25 Cents.

If you buy 72, including shipping costs to Australia, it would break down to .64 Cents each. That's with the nipples. The shipping fee is a flat rate up to 2 lbs, so the more you buy, the cheaper they are.

14/15/14 double butted would run you .78 including nipple and freight.

Excellent fast service.

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Cool! I couldn't get DT straight gauge spokes from the shops I have worked at for less than 50cents each.
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Cool! I couldn't get DT straight gauge spokes from the shops I have worked at for less than 50cents each.
A friend of mine just turned me on to the place a couple weeks ago. Now that I have compared DT vs Sapim in my hands, the Sapim look better engineered and better manufactured. The nipple head makes more sense, and so does the elbow of the spoke. Snazzy double butted for .40 cents inc nipple if you prefer those.
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That's cheaper than wholesale. I may even start buying them from Dan's Comp instead of our main supplier.
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yeah dan's comp is crazy. it's too bad they mostly do bmx stuff

on the subject of sapim spokes though, we had two rear wheels built with sapims returned with broken spokes just this summer. one of them broke 8 spokes at once
they were pretty cheap machine built wheels so maybe it's a different spoke or just a poorly adjusted machine, but the manager mentioned it wasn't the first time he'd seen them fail in such a way
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In all honesty, I prefer building wheels using Wheelsmith spokes over Sapim.
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Ride it until it breaks. Upgrade when it breaks.
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Ride it until it breaks. Upgrade when it breaks.
Generally speaking, you upgrade the bits that break, the others being clearly up to the job.
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I was told sun rims are actually pretty much just as good for a way cheaper price. Thinking of getting a set of sun rims to formulas for 130. Honestly I'm just switching wheelsets because I hate that my current set is bright blue V, and I figure ill just ride the Suns hard until they need to be replaced then I'll drop money on a good wheelset... By then I hope to have a new frame as well.
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Wouldn't it be cheapest to just remove the anodizing from your current wheelset?
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How do I do that? GENIUS
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Leave it in the sun for a few hours.
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Seems like all you care about is the appearance. If that's the case spray paint might not be a bad idea. I know some people frown on this but you don't care about your rims anyway and it's cheaper than buying a new wheel set. I had a mismatched wheel set once, hit it with a rattle can job and no one could tell the difference. Sand between each coat, use a quality paint and it'll be fine. Make sure you take off the tire and tape the spokes too.
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How do I do that? GENIUS
Here. GENIUS
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