I need help building up a set of wheels
 

I want to build up a new set of wheels for racing, climbing, and for the velodrome. I wont be using these as my daily commuting wheels but they will occasionally see the streets. Ive been looking at getting H Plus Son rims, I cant decide between Archetypes and Formation Face and I'm going to equip them with high flange Phil Wood hubs. I'm having trouble deciding what type of spokes, spoke count, and lacing patterns. I for sure want radial lacing on the front wheel and am debating between bladed spokes or going with round double butted DT Swiss spokes. Any thoughts or recommendations?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/H-Plus-Son-A...item3f36863e85

http://www.velomine.com/images/7637a.jpg

Bladed spokes are stupid.

Why?

I'm not set on any of these components. I'm new to the cycling world so I don't know exactly what all is out there. What I want is something that isn't going to absorb my energy and is roughly 2000 grams or lighter for the set.

a radially laced front wheel is the mullet of the cycling world. terrible.

I disagree. For racing as the OP will use these wheels, they make a noticeable difference at racing speeds in reducing wind resistance. For tooling around in town and walking the bike to Starbucks, they are an unnecessary added cost.

Radial front wheel lacing is totally cool. I guess you and I won't be socializing much.

32h 3x front and rear forever.

That's gross.

What does OP mean by "racing"?

i dare you to radially lace a chris king hub and see what happens.

King-radial lacing
 

King radial laces their own wheels.


https://chrisking.com/files/upload/w...ec_chart_2.pdf



lion-

you might want to ask your question in the track forum.

My Hillbrick uses the Miche Express wheelset and yes, the front wheel is radially laced. I love the look. Mind you, they are 32 spoked wheels and I think that makes a difference, but I don't like small spoke numbers anyway.

Hmm, agreeing with TT ... and I haven't finished my first coffee for the day yet. Maybe I should go straight into another one :p

That's where I originally posted this. Some homie said this is a hipster street setup and closed my thread...

Thoughts on mavic ellipse? And low spoke count on front wheel? I'm probably going to do 32h 3x on rear.

cause it is. Looks like the buy it now page off of mash or some fixiedweeb.com

Buy Ellipses or American Classics. Bert stare when some rocket scientist tries to tell you about his 3x32 front lacing.

Edit: bruh, unless you weigh 300lbs you need to pray to the 'God of casing curbs' if you're pulling out 20/24.

I think he wants a 3x just for peace of mind of daily riding. I've had a 3x set up on my daily/racing wheels and never had to true them. Though I would never get blades spokes because I'm not dumb.

Also, if they are going to be a more dedicated race/track wheel you should get tubulars.

my track wheels are 36h 3x.

What's your weight? Assuming you aren't a ham planet: if you use formation faces you can get away with a low spoke count cause they're super stiff, something like 20 r/ 24 2x would be slick. If you go archetypes, go 24 r / 28 2x. I'd use sapim lasers or cx rays if you a pimp.

I was never less than 200 when doing hood rat fixed gear things on my 20/24 American Classics. I always sweated it because of internet lore and never had a problem, even after ringing them a few times.

They were stiffer than the 28h China wheels that came with the bike and slightly wobbly compared to the 20/24 sdv66s it has now.

24/32
 

Are you competitive on the track, fighting for podium finishes? If not, bladed vs round spokes means nothing, and because bladed can be a PITA because you need to use a spoke holder while building, DB round spokes would be my suggestion. 24 radial front /32 2 or 3x rear. If you're really riding on the track and only good days on the road, aluminum nipples; if you ride streets in weather, brass nipples.

Am I the only one who thinks building with bladed spokes is almost easier? Makes wind up a non issue.

As long as you don't mind wearing a bladed spoke stabilizer on your off hand while building/truing... And it's not like you should avoid de-stressing regularly as a result. Only caveat is direct, no-j-bend spoke hubs -- then, bladed spokes are actually easier.

I only weigh 140lbs so i figured i could do something lower than 32. At least in the front

Utah doesn't get a velo for another year so No, i'm not competitive on the track. And i have access to a spoke holder. Im not going to ride these on bad weather days. Ive got a heavy indestructible set of wheels for that. But if theres bad weather on race day ill be riding these.

Then go for it: 24 radial front / 32 2x or 3x rear, bladed spokes, aluminum nipples, and your choice -- aero or lighter -- rims. Probably aero/heavier rim to match the spokes...

Is this your first wheel build? If so, I'd still do round spokes, even DB, before bladed just so that you're not introducing another complication. Couple of builds under your belt? Bladed spokes -- go for it.

32 spokes is total overkill for you. I'd go no more than 28 spokes rear and 24 front. If you can afford bladed spokes then get them, as they will make a noticeable difference at speeds over 25 mph.