Randal Mambla

indeed.

BroMax

That's how King George's* men regarded the rebellious American colonists.

*King George III back in 1776, not the guy in DC.

KrisPistofferson

Goodbye again, dear Prisoner.

Mr. Gear Jammer

I still beleive most politicians are idiots, besides me .

ollo_ollo

Actually I believe George III blamed the Presbyterians!

Jet Travis

When John Paul Jones sank a fleet of British merchant vessels he was branded a terrorist. Just sayin.'

amigo

¿De qué liberales están hablando?

cyclezealot

From what I have read of South American current history. The presidents of Bolivia who I'd considered treasonous are Hugo Banzer and Sanchez Ramirez; and Argentina Carlos Menen. They sold out their countries. Are they liberals? I understand them to be called "neo liberals. ' Are they still liberals.?/ Oh, yes then there is former president Carlos Mesa of Bolivia. but he fled the country. another neo liberal. He and Lozada both had to flee the country. Think it is Mesa who is Now in exile residing with Bechtel International Inc., in San Francisco.

amigo

Yes Cyclezelot, your information is accurate. But you make an excelent question: "Are they still liberal?".

In my country (and in South America) the politicians change their convictions all the time. Our president Nestor Kirtchner now is in the left when in other times he praised the neo-liberals-IMF politics. Menem, Sanchez de Lozada, Fujimori, Salinas de Gortari were "liberals" when times before they like to show a socialist image.

Treason? Yes, the liberals are traitorous, and the socialist and communist too. But lamentably it is common in our political life. And for that reason when a person says be a liberal, or a socialist, or a communist, nobody believe it. When the winds blow to the left they are all in the left and whe the winds blow to the right they are all in the right.

This is in part a problem of a very violent political life with a lot of people killed, The politicians prefere have a feet in the left an the other in the rigth, so they can change in a hard time. They are too cowards to maintain a conviction until the end

J T CUNNINGHAM

Yes, something like Liberals / NDP in Canada !

Reguards, (regards)
J T

twobikes

An interesting book to read is Mona Charen's "Useful Idiots." It documents how liberals in the USA spoke with great conviction, but got it wrong consistently for more than forty years. At the time they swayed some people, but time and history showed them wrong. Some of the same people are still around saying the same things, but they have learned nothing from history.

There is a concept called beautiful ideas that kill. Socialism and Communism are beautiful ideas, but people get hurt badly when they are followed.

cyclezealot

Amigo. I think the message is , politicians of all political stripes are capable of treason. Certainly one of the most morally challenged politicians in all of South America would be Colombia's Uribe. He certainly is no liberal, yet barely evolved out of gangster politics.

J T CUNNINGHAM

I try to steer clear of 'Liberals', and 'liberals', in general;

as well as little boys with slingshots.


A L S O . . .

Is anyone that posts here familiar with Mendoza, R A ?

I have in my possession an 'Ambrosi', road bike '86/'87,

decaled by: 'Ambrosi, Alem 1359 Godoy Cruz, Mendoza R A'.

On the web, I have noticed three ; 'Ambrosi shops', but only

one at the above address and the name 'Sergio Ambrossi', as

the contact. The problems are:

(1) I cannot find his web address again.

(2) Will he speak English/Italian/Spanish/Portuguese ?

Of incidental note, the 'Ambrosi', frame appears finer in terms of

esthetics (but not by very much) compared to my '86 Pinnarello !


Regards,
J T

amigo

Mendoza is a province in the south of Argentina, Godoy Cruz is a town of Mendoza province. In Argentina we talk spanish but we had a lot of italian inmigrants.

Are you looking for someone called Sergio Ambrossi? In Mendoza?

KrisPistofferson

Sometimes I get them menstrual cramps real hard.

amigo

To be honest i don't know if Uribe is a liberal or not. But he begun his president term with promises that he never did. And he could not did it because he is a corrupt, like all the others "liberals" and not liberals.

J T CUNNINGHAM

Thank you for your reply Amigo !

After what you have told me, it appeares there are only two shops in Godoy Cruz, the

other is in Ciudad De Mendoza. The unknown second shop is the one that I am interested in.

The two shops that are listed, one in Godoy Cruz and the other in Ciudad De Mendoza,

both have the same email address; it is the unknown shop with Sergio Ambrossi whom

I want to contact. To my mind, I will email them regarding Sergio's whereabouts.

( I just hope that they are all friends !)

I will keep you posted on this matter, and thank you again for the info .


Regards,
J T

amigo

No problem, and if you need help with the spanish we are here, but Mendoza is a turism-province so surely they talk english.

Good Luck, J T!

J T CUNNINGHAM

Amigo,

nothing yet.


Regards,
J T

riverrider

Actually, Treason is one of the few crimes that is proscibed in the Constitution of the United States. I believe it takes two witnesses to a treasonous act to convict someone. It's in there like that because in the countries the colonist came from...charging someone with "Treason" was a convienient way to get rid of troublemakers. All it took was the monarch/king declaring it so and "poof" you were a goner.

amigo

Store name: Bicicletas Ambrosi
Street: Sarmiento 1152
Town: Godoy Cruz
Province: Mendoza - Argentina
Telephon n°: 0261-452-0253

It is all the information that i have of Ambrosi bikes

baj32161

Does this thread really belong in here?

J T CUNNINGHAM

Yes, it indeed does; this is 'treason', without the 'libs'.


regards,
J T

amigo

J. T., here the only person i find is Alejandro S. Ambrossi in Villa Nueva (Mendoza) but i have only his phone number. The person you are looking for is member of a bike team or only an store owner?

J T CUNNINGHAM

Amigo, I sent them an email, but no reply as yet. probably a 'phone call will do the trick.

Did you get my email or was it an 'inbox', last week as well?

I will keep you posted.


Regards,
J T