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Old 07-14-15, 10:02 AM
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Cyclist run in CHP on GMR

This is from a member of my club (i'm sure he doesn't mind repost)

https://www.facebook.com/ken.adams.9...6460408367279/


Apparently their group got buzzed twice by this same officer and then had this interaction. Complaints have been filed, officer's name and info have been shared, commanding officer says he did nothing wrong and all CHP are trained to respect cyclists blah blah blah.
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Would have been a lot more convincing with footage of one of the alleged occurrences, which were presumably further downhill on the divided portion of the road?
The guy started out accusing the cop of passing with 1-1/2 feet, then tightened it up to 1 foot in the heat of the argument.
This footage proves nothing, sorry. (And no, I'm not a cop, nor am I affiliated with any LEOs. Just another crackpot juror in the court of Internet opinion.)
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Looks like the video was shot on GRR but the incident probably occurred on GMR where there is a double yellow line. Cop says he can't cross over the yellow to give 3 feet and the road definitely isn't wide enough to give 3 feet without crossing the yellow. Nice legalistic response.

The reality is as long as it is an area of the road where a driver can see ahead, it is easy enough to put the left wheels on or just over the line to give cyclists plenty of room, and this is what pretty much all non-cop drivers do.
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Old 07-14-15, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by calamarichris View Post
Would have been a lot more convincing with footage of one of the alleged occurrences, which were presumably further downhill on the divided portion of the road?
The guy started out accusing the cop of passing with 1-1/2 feet, then tightened it up to 1 foot in the heat of the argument.
This footage proves nothing, sorry. (And no, I'm not a cop, nor am I affiliated with any LEOs. Just another crackpot juror in the court of Internet opinion.)
True, I would like to see the other footage. I believe they said they didn't have good footage off their cam and they requested dash cam from the officer's vehicle but were told that dash cam only activates when officers lights are turned on for traffic stops....conveniently enough.

My personal experience is this stuff happens and will keep happening, especially where I live in Glendale which is rated as city with most unsafe drivers in the U.S. I've been told by local PD that 3 foot law is impossible to enforce because it's subjective,which is true
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I read this post with interest. Looked at the Facebook entries and the officer was identified as "Rick Peacock". I had been issued an auto speeding ticket by this officer around 15 years ago when he worked in Orange County. He was not the most cordial person I met and his name was unique. It appears that his work method has not changed.
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Originally Posted by Secret Squirrel View Post
I read this post with interest. Looked at the Facebook entries and the officer was identified as "Rick Peacock". I had been issued an auto speeding ticket by this officer around 15 years ago when he worked in Orange County. He was not the most cordial person I met and his name was unique. It appears that his work method has not changed.
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The person who posted this to FB is a friend of many friends of mine. Not a hothead or immature person. He was riding with a friend of mine who verifies the same version of events. I'm not trying to convince anyone, I don't really care if people believe there is enough "evidence".

A complaint was filed with CHP and shared it on FB. Here is the text of the complaint:

"I was riding my bicycle on Glendora Mountain Road and Glendora Ridge Road on the morning of 7/11/2015. At approximately 8:30 am, on Glendora Mountain Road, about 2 miles north of Sierra Madre, a CHP SUV with license plate number 1365395 passed me and the cyclist with whom I was riding with significantly less than 3 feet (I'd estimate about 2 feet). We continued riding and at approximately 9:55 am, on Glendora Ridge Road, approximately 13 miles from the previous incident, the same CHP SUV passed us again, barely missing us, by approximately 1 foot. The officer continued on for some time, then turned around and returned. We flagged him down and had a conversation with him. We have a video of this interaction, which I would be happy to share with you. I would like to point out that Glendora Ridge Road is a very desolate spot with minimal vehicular traffic. The road is less than 2 lanes wide and has no lane demarcation lines painted on the road. At the point we were passed by the CHP vehicle, there was no oncoming traffic, the road was straight with clear sight lines for at least 1/4 - 1/2 mile and we were riding single file on the white line. During our conversation, the officer claimed that he must drive on the right half of the road and that he "cannot violate a law to follow a law" when asked about California's 3-foot cycling law. He seemed completely unconcerned when I pointed out that he had just needlessly endangered my life. In the course of the rest of my ride and subsequently via social media, I learned that this same officer passed numerous other cyclists dangerously close during this same time period on the same stretch of road.

This officer endangered my life twice, the life of the person I was cycling with twice, at least 4 other cyclists that I've been in contact with and who knows how many others. I suspect this type of aggressive and unsafe driving behavior is not what you expect from your officers. This incident has significantly affected my trust in the professionalism of the CHP as an organization. Cycling on California's roads is sufficiently dangerous without our law enforcement officers adding to the danger. I sincerely hope that this officer receives some additional training on correct and safe vehicular interaction with cyclists, because it is clear that he currently is lacking in this area."

The story was picked up by local news stations and CHP has issued a (somewhat weak IMO) response. Here is the CHP response thus far:

"Thanks for posting this and giving us an opportunity to look into this incident. We have made contact with Mr. XXX and we will continue or dialog with him until we resolve this incident. In the meantime, please know that the Department encourages a cooperative and respectful relationship between cyclists and motorists (including those driving patrol vehicles). With that in mind, we will continue to work together to ensure everyone is educated on the rules of the road. Safety is our top priority and, particularly with the 3' law, there is still some confusion on how it applies in various circumstances. We'll keep working to ensure everyone knows their options so that we can all use the road together in a safe manner."


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Well, as far as I know the CHP officer is correct about not legally being entitled to cross over the yellow line, but the actual remedy is to wait until it's safe to pass, not buzz anybody.

He does come across like an entitled dick head though.

I give the cyclist huge credit for maintaining a mostly calm demeanor and the total absence of "WTF were you doing"
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Well, as far as I know the CHP officer is correct about not legally being entitled to cross over the yellow line, but the actual remedy is to wait until it's safe to pass, not buzz anybody.

Correct. And ALL cyclists should have a front and rear camera system.
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Well, as far as I know the CHP officer is correct about not legally being entitled to cross over the yellow line, but the actual remedy is to wait until it's safe to pass, not buzz anybody.

He does come across like an entitled dick head though.

I give the cyclist huge credit for maintaining a mostly calm demeanor and the total absence of "WTF were you doing"
A cop being an entitled dickhead? No way!

I seriously am not anti cop but my wife did work for LAPD for years and she'll be the first to tell you law enforcement attracts a much higher percentage of entitled dickhead bullies than any other career
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They managed to get the story picked up by local news

Caught On Video: Cyclist Accuses CHP Officer Of Driving Too Close To Him On Mountain Road « CBS Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
Well, as far as I know the CHP officer is correct about not legally being entitled to cross over the yellow line, but the actual remedy is to wait until it's safe to pass, not buzz anybody.

He does come across like an entitled dick head though.

I give the cyclist huge credit for maintaining a mostly calm demeanor and the total absence of "WTF were you doing"
I agree it seems like the law just simply refuses to wait like most of the general public. The officer has a point, but at the same time it doesn't seem to occur to him that he must wait behind the cyclists if he is unable to legally and safely pass.

I occasionally ride a few really small roads off the beaten path when I want to avoid heavy traffic around dusk and the locals slow down and pass on opposite lane or they just wait behind until the road opens up a little more. I've even had a CHP officer slow do to around 10 mph until the lane opened up and while he was passing he said "nice day for a ride I wish I could join you".

Why some cops just insist on being jerks is beyond me especially since he clearly wasn't going anywhere, but up and back down the hill lol.
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Just out of curiosity I wonder what would have happened if they just decided to take the lane and state per CVC 21202 they have the right to as the lane was too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle. Then refuse to pull over and allow the CHP vehicle to pass until there are 5 or more vehicles behind them per CVC 21656.
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Just out of curiosity I wonder what would have happened if they just decided to take the lane and state per CVC 21202 they have the right to as the lane was too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle. Then refuse to pull over and allow the CHP vehicle to pass until there are 5 or more vehicles behind them per CVC 21656.
Tazed and pepper sprayed?
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Tazed and pepper sprayed?
Probably correct. I think someone here posted a video of a cop who basically ran over a rider in a group that was taking up too much lane because he simply couldn't wait until it was safe to pass. I think he got caught in the center when an oncoming car came around the corner and he decided to swerve into the cyclist to avoid hitting the car.
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Don't taze me bro!
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he decided to swerve into the cyclist to avoid hitting the car.
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All we have hear is a discussion about something we can't see. Might as well skipped the video and reported the story. I have no idea about how close the cop passed, what the speed differential was, or anything else, so to me it's a total non-event.
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Looks like the video was shot on GRR but the incident probably occurred on GMR where there is a double yellow line. Cop says he can't cross over the yellow to give 3 feet and the road definitely isn't wide enough to give 3 feet without crossing the yellow. Nice legalistic response.

The reality is as long as it is an area of the road where a driver can see ahead, it is easy enough to put the left wheels on or just over the line to give cyclists plenty of room, and this is what pretty much all non-cop drivers do.
this is a case where there is not enough room for a car and a bike and there is a double yellow. In that case the cyclist has the right to take the lane and the motorist cannot pass by crossing the double yellow. In that case the motorist should stay behind the cyclist and the cyclist should move over when safe to do so but only when safe to do so. The "motorist" is correct in stating that it is illegal for him to cross the double yellow to pass but in my mind he was in the wrong to attempt to pass that close in order to avoid going over the double yellow. If the CHP was on his way to a call or in pursuit he should have bleeped his siren to signal his intent. The cyclist could respond by slowing and pulling to the right if safe. If the CHP can't give three feet the road is technically not wide enough for both the car and the bike and putting the cyclist in danger is not the preferred action.
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this is a case where there is not enough room for a car and a bike and there is a double yellow. In that case the cyclist has the right to take the lane and the motorist cannot pass by crossing the double yellow. In that case the motorist should stay behind the cyclist and the cyclist should move over when safe to do so but only when safe to do so.
Agree about taking the lane, but after the fact hearing the cop's attitude he probably would have cited the rider for something. From my experience riding GMR and GRR, it seems that most cyclists stay to the right as much as reasonable without riding the edge, and most drivers wait to pass safely by moving over when they have a clear line of sight to do so, yellow line or no yellow line. It seems to work out pretty well most of the time. If I'm climbing GMR at 7 mph, I'd rather not make a driver wait behind me. Don't know if the CHP was just copping an attitude or doesn't like cyclists or what, but there's just not that much traffic up there. All the non LEO drivers up there who move over for riders technically run the risk of getting cited for it. No one's going to cite the CHP for doing so.
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Just out of curiosity I wonder what would have happened if they just decided to take the lane.
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All we have hear is a discussion about something we can't see. Might as well skipped the video and reported the story. I have no idea about how close the cop passed, what the speed differential was, or anything else, so to me it's a total non-event.
I would agree with you but the police officer was pretty argumentative about not being able to give the cyclists 3 feet. He had to have been fairly close. GRR is a pretty narrow road at best and doesn't really have enough room for two cars to pass in opposite directions without taking care.
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I would agree with you but the police officer was pretty argumentative about not being able to give the cyclists 3 feet. He had to have been fairly close. GRR is a pretty narrow road at best and doesn't really have enough room for two cars to pass in opposite directions without taking care.
I find California to be a strange place full of contrasts. The eastern viewpoint is that it's a left of center, loosey goosey kind of society, but the reality is often the exact opposite with more rules and more tightly written rules, more rigidly enforced.

For example here in NY, nobody, but nobody (except maybe a displaced California cop) would hesitate before moving left halfway over the double yellow (if that's what it was) to pass a cyclist. And if there were oncoming traffic we'd all do the split the road three ways dance and pass without a word said. Obviously it's better to wait and pass when the road is clear, but it's yellow paint on the road and not the Siegfried line, and folks should just use some common sense.

OTOH - getting worked up over being theoretically endangered AFTER nothing actually happened doesn't make a world of sense either. Not being that diplomatic at times, if I were the cop and was accused of endangering somebody, I might have said "If I endangered you, you wouldn't be talking about it now" or something like that.

IMO enough actual bad schist happens that we all need to chill about what doesn't happen even though it could have, and get on with our lives. But then as I said, I just don't understand California.
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The sixties are over but there are still plenty of hippies around. Tons of everything else too - much like NYC, many of the people here are from elsewhere, and all over the globe for that matter.

99.9% of the time, what you describe as the norm in NY is the norm here too. Cyclists and cars coexist up on GMR pretty well.

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I find California to be a strange place full of contrasts. The eastern viewpoint is that it's a left of center, loosey goosey kind of society, but the reality is often the exact opposite with more rules and more tightly written rules, more rigidly enforced.

For example here in NY, nobody, but nobody (except maybe a displaced California cop) would hesitate before moving left halfway over the double yellow (if that's what it was) to pass a cyclist. And if there were oncoming traffic we'd all do the split the road three ways dance and pass without a word said. Obviously it's better to wait and pass when the road is clear, but it's yellow paint on the road and not the Siegfried line, and folks should just use some common sense.

OTOH - getting worked up over being theoretically endangered AFTER nothing actually happened doesn't make a world of sense either. Not being that diplomatic at times, if I were the cop and was accused of endangering somebody, I might have said "If I endangered you, you wouldn't be talking about it now" or something like that.

IMO enough actual bad schist happens that we all need to chill about what doesn't happen even though it could have, and get on with our lives. But then as I said, I just don't understand California.
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