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Old 02-16-16, 08:36 AM
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Bike Lane and Joggers

What's the California rule for bike lanes? Recently a jogger was killed by a driver who was arrested.

How many times have you seen joggers in the bike lane out in the street?

Driver arrested on suspicion of murder in collision that killed a jogger in Walnut - LA Times
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Old 02-16-16, 09:20 AM
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In every state I've ridden in, the rule is to ride to the left of a jogger, whether she is coming toward you or travelling in the same direction. This is basically "slower traffic keeps right".
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Too bad it wasn't a cyclist - the driver could have successfully used the "I didn't see him" defense.

Joggers in the bike lane are irritating when they hog enough of it to force me out into the traffic lane but most of the time it's pretty easy to coexist with joggers. I'm not sure what laws govern where they are allowed to jog.
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Here is a local example that is a pet peeve.
This is Coalton, an East-West street in Superior, CO.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Su...69d60c!6m1!1e1

Look closely at the sidewalk on the North side of the street.
See that narrow gray strip along the North edge of the sidewalk?
That is an 18" wide strip of crushed rock, perfect for running/jogging.
And yet I still get some of them insisting on running on the hard asphalt in the bike lane.
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I don't mind joggers in the bike lane, but the cyclists that go the wrong way kind of irks me.
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BTW, it seems like the runner may have been at fault, or at least not following the rules of the road.

CA Codes (veh:21949-21971)

21966. No pedestrian shall proceed along a bicycle path or lane
where there is an adjacent adequate pedestrian facility.



21967. Except as provided in Section 21968, a local authority may
adopt rules and regulations by ordinance or resolution prohibiting or
restricting persons from riding or propelling skateboards, or
electrically motorized boards, on highways, sidewalks, or roadways.




21968. (a) A motorized skateboard shall not be propelled on any
sidewalk, roadway, or any other part of a highway or on any bikeway,
bicycle path or trail, equestrian trail, or hiking or recreational
trail.
(b) For purposes of this section, an electrically motorized board,
as defined in Section 313.5, is not a motorized skateboard.
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According to the pamphlet linked here:

https://www.ots.ca.gov/pdf/BicyclePedSafetyBrochure.pdf

Pedestrians should not be in the bike lane if a sidewalk is available. Of course there are joggers who prefer asphalt concrete over PC concrete and are more concerned about their shins than the law. We also have bike lanes bordered by a ditch leaving nowhere for anyone to get out of the way. And then on garbage days there are big green waste bins in the bike lanes. We also have telephone poles in the middle of bike lanes, and deer, turkeys, rattle snakes, and the worst, those extendable clothesline dog leashes.

So while the bike lanes are better than nothing they are by no means exclusively for cyclists.
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Originally Posted by work4bike
(b) For purposes of this section, an electrically motorized board,
as defined in Section 313.5, is not a motorized skateboard.
OK, this has me scratching my head.
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It's California...
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I don't mind runners at all. Nearly all of them know enough to run against the flow of traffic, and then move aside for cyclists.
The ones that don't and run 2 or 3 abreast on the bikelane... well, I confess I like to whiz by them a little too close, a little too fast. It's usually at Cardiff Reef where they do this: the auto traffic is traveling at 50+, and anyway a demonstration is almost always more convincing than a lecture.
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Originally Posted by Stick69
According to the pamphlet linked here:

https://www.ots.ca.gov/pdf/BicyclePedSafetyBrochure.pdf

Pedestrians should not be in the bike lane if a sidewalk is available.

So while the bike lanes are better than nothing they are by no means exclusively for cyclists.
So that means joggers are a sub set of pedestrians. And also bike riders are not pedestrians. There are streets like Beach Boulevard which may not have bike lanes. Does that mean its ok for a bike rider to be riding on the sidewalk?
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Originally Posted by 1989Pre
In every state I've ridden in, the rule is to ride to the left of a jogger, whether she is coming toward you or travelling in the same direction. This is basically "slower traffic keeps right".
Therein lies the problem. They're so unpredictable. Sometimes they run with traffic. Sometimes they run against traffic. Sometimes they run on your left. And sometimes they run next to the curb on your right. No uniformity.
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Originally Posted by Garfield Cat
There are streets like Beach Boulevard which may not have bike lanes. Does that mean its ok for a bike rider to be riding on the sidewalk?
I am familiar with Beach Boulevard in Stanton, and there is a lot of bike traffic on the sidewalks there. Based on my research, it's up to the city whether bikes are prohibited on sidewalks, and in Stanton bikes are allowed on sidewalks. They must give pedestrians the right-of-way.

How do you know if you've crossed into Stanton? That's where the bike lanes end!
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Old 02-29-16, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mwandaw
I am familiar with Beach Boulevard in Stanton, and there is a lot of bike traffic on the sidewalks there. Based on my research, it's up to the city whether bikes are prohibited on sidewalks, and in Stanton bikes are allowed on sidewalks. They must give pedestrians the right-of-way.

How do you know if you've crossed into Stanton? That's where the bike lanes end!
Haha I've biked from Huntington Beach along Beach Blvd all the way down to Malvern before. I've never ventured onto the sidewalk but I stayed as close to the right as possible in the street. Usually the sections are split enough that cars will overtake you when possible and the times they begin trailing behind you isnt that bad. However I do feel that OC in that area is not too bicycle friendly until you get to the more suburban areas. I get the feeling that many drivers in OC have not been exposed to cyclists enough to respect their space and aggressively drive around them as if they're nuisances. It's a reason I don't really want to live in OC ever again.

But then again I was young and wild back then but I know now that I would not take any novice rider on Beach Blvd. It's too dangerous for both the cyclist and other cars. I'm rather against riding on the bicycle because pedestrians aren't on the lookout for bicycles and the same goes for drivers in cars. I don't know about you but I pay attention to the road and not who's on the sidewalk during traffic. This prevents me from being really spatially aware of a cyclist coming from sidewalks with obstructing objects in their background like telephone booths, bus stops, trash cans, etc. I get the vibe that a lot of drivers are zoned out and just focus on what's in front of them .. not around them.

Cyclists also move a lot faster as well than most people can gauge so it's hard to gauge distance when they're at an awkward angle for you to look at in your car mirrors. All in all I can't really add to the conversation aside from advising everyone to be cautious and exercise good judgment :T
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Originally Posted by Garfield Cat
What's the California rule for bike lanes? Recently a jogger was killed by a driver who was arrested.

How many times have you seen joggers in the bike lane out in the street?

Driver arrested on suspicion of murder in collision that killed a jogger in Walnut - LA Times
I live in San Diego now and when I cycle down the coast (Carlsbad to La Jolla) joggers are out and usually they jog with the flow of traffic. Most are on the sidewalk but some do go onto the bicycle lanes and I usually go around them. Now that I think of it I may not be riding well considering I have never looked behind me to see if a car was behind me when overtaking the joggers who are on these bicycle lanes. I'm sure I'm not in the car lane but you never know... also might be a pending disaster if a jogger suddenly jumps to the left when I least expect it and I'm knocked off my bicycle while going 10-30 mph
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Originally Posted by soom
also might be a pending disaster if a jogger suddenly jumps to the left when I least expect it and I'm knocked off my bicycle while going 10-30 mph
Never mind the cars that drive *right* on the edge of the bike lane.
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
Never mind the cars that drive *right* on the edge of the bike lane.
True that. The two worst car offenders I want to take a U-lock and bash their windows in are:

1) The ones who purposely overtake you and rev by when the car lane width is generous (lame)
2) The ones who yell really dumb comments laced with vulgarity (usually teens)

I feel as a cyclist when in cars and looks at passing cyclists I judge a cyclists ability level based on their capability to maintain a straight line when appropriate. Usually casual cyclists or novice riders sway here and there and I try to maintain that straight line position to give cars behind me situational awareness of my composure / avoidance to do anything unpredictable.
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Originally Posted by work4bike
I don't mind joggers in the bike lane, but the cyclists that go the wrong way kind of irks me.
+1... I've been known to yell "You're going the wrong way <insert word of choice>" when I come across cyclist going the wrong way.

I'm a runner and don't run in the bike lane except to pass people on the sidewalk when coming up from behind. I make sure to check the bike lane before I jump out into it for oncoming cyclist.
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