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Old 03-08-16, 09:21 PM
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Bicyclist Hit, Killed by Moving Truck in Rancho Palos Verdes | NBC Southern California
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r.i.p. not even one of the more obvious trouble spots on the
palos verdes peninsula. just goes to show that vigilance
must be constant. moving truck likely pulled out farther into
that intersection before turning right so as not to have the trailer
jump up on the curb/sidewalk. it would have been very easy
to assume the truck was headed straight down the hill and once
the driver started his turn, the cyclist was essentially walled off
at 35+ mph.
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Originally Posted by ooga-booga
r.i.p. not even one of the more obvious trouble spots on the
palos verdes peninsula. just goes to show that vigilance
must be constant. moving truck likely pulled out farther into
that intersection before turning right so as not to have the trailer
jump up on the curb/sidewalk. it would have been very easy
to assume the truck was headed straight down the hill and once
the driver started his turn, the cyclist was essentially walled off
at 35+ mph.
That sounds about right except possibly for one detail.

IME truck/trailer drivers tend to be very good about using their turn signals. If so, and if the truck was signaling his right turn intent, then it's the cyclist who sort of right hooked himself by passing the truck on the right despite a right turn signal.

As you point out, we have to be vigilant, but also have a sense of what's happening around us, lest we put ourselves in harms way.


(my comments were based on the report, and how they described the accident. Of course, I don't know if the truck was signaling a right, or even the timing of the cyclist and the light, though since right on red is legal, passing any long vehicle on the right is risky behavior)
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There will be moments when road bike riders will make the decision to do more off road riding. Of course, with a brand new type of bike.
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I was riding in the area shortly after the accident yesterday. I was amazed to read the police said "..no crime was..." .."Everything...was....legal".

How could the driver "had no idea" after being slammed by a ~45 MP (again I'm quoting the police) road bike?

"Swensson said that no crime was committed.
"The driver had no idea what had happened with the bicyclist," Swensson said. "Everything the driver was doing was legal at the time."
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Originally Posted by hsuehhwa
I was riding in the area shortly after the accident yesterday. I was amazed to read the police said "..no crime was..." .."Everything...was....legal".

How could the driver "had no idea" after being slammed by a ~45 MP (again I'm quoting the police) road bike?

"Swensson said that no crime was committed.
"The driver had no idea what had happened with the bicyclist," Swensson said. "Everything the driver was doing was legal at the time."
From the report, it seems that the bicyclist hit the trailer, not the other way around, so no crime for the driver for being hit. As for not knowing, a bicycle rider hitting a loaded trailer wouldn't cause an impact large enough to be felt up in the cab. I'm not saying it couldn't be felt, but it is plausible that it wasn't.

BTW - the police were being nice, since if any law was violated, there's a good chance that it was by the bicyclist, ie. speeding, reckless driving, passing on the right, etc.
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At this time we're all just making speculations. I climbed there all the time but always avoided descent. It would be a very sharp turn for the moving truck. I doubt if the driver could make a right turn just staying in the right lane.

It's a dangerous decent without bike lanes and with∼10% slope on a ∼120 degree curve, particularly for one's not familiar with the area. You wouldn't be able to see the traffic light and stop in time. There have been a lot of close calls.
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Originally Posted by hsuehhwa
At this time we're all just making speculations. I climbed there all the time but always avoided descent. It would be a very sharp turn for the moving truck. I doubt if the driver could make a right turn just staying in the right lane.

It's a dangerous decent without bike lanes and with∼10% slope on a ∼120 degree curve, particularly for one's not familiar with the area. You wouldn't be able to see the traffic light and stop in time. There have been a lot of close calls.
You're right, there' some speculation, but it's based on the report.

One thing that I think needs to be said. Here on BF people are quick to blame motorists arguing (often correctly) that they overrun their sight lines, are inattentive, and make poor decisions. Excuses aren't accepted. However, when a cyclist (possibly) makes the same mistakes people point out things like steep hills, traffic lights that may be hard to see at high speed, etc.

I'm not looking to affix blame here, especially since the person I'd likely blame is beyond that, but IMO the best reason to discuss accidents here is as teachable moments. This is an excellent case. There are a number of possible factors, but most or all were within the control of the cyclist who died.

A steep hill might encourage high speed, but bicycles have brakes so it's still the rider's choice. Likewise with the question of the light, and turning truck. The rider had the option to stop or slow and pass on either side.

The lessons here are pretty simple. Ride within control, and do not pass long vehicles on the right, especially at high speed.
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i know the police estimated the collision at 45 mph. the bike in the video looked
to be more of an upright/hybrid bike with bigger tires vs a road bike. every time
(out of the dozens of times) i've ridden that descent, the onshore breeze/headwind
hits me as i come out of the turn/steepest part of the grade near the park border
and slows me down from the 45-48 mph range in annoying fashion.
by the time i hit vallon, i'm usually in the 35-39 mph range without pedaling on
my road bike w/23's in a fairly aero tuck (6 ft-180 lbs). i find it fairly unlikely the
cyclist was going 45 mph on that bike unless drafting, even down that stretch.
thinking speed is a factor but combined with (perhaps) braking quality/power
and/or focused on the gorgeous view or missing the truck's turn signal (some
of those are smaller than they should be) may have been responsible. tragic.
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It's was very windy yeaterday, but surprisingly when we made a restroom stop at the 7-11 bottom of Hawthorne it was calm and warm.

There's no bike lane before Vallon, and bike lane starts immediately after Vallon. If the big rig was making a sharp right turn from 2nd or 3nd lane from right, the cyclist going straight and passing from right could have right of way (doesn't mean it's smart)

Again, we really don't know. How could the sheriff know the driver was legal wo further investigation, considering the truck already dragged the cyclist to the neighborhood? How could the sheriff tell it's "can't stop and directly hit from behind"? That's obviously NOTthe scene when the sheriff got there, since the truck moved from the collision site already.
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"“As this big rig was making a right turn, he got hit by the trailer of the big rig and wound up being killed by the rear wheels,” said sheriff’s Deputy David Johnson, a traffic investigator in the Lomita sheriff’s station."



Bicyclist killed in truck accident in Rancho Palos Verdes identified


Now we have much clearer picture.
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The truck driver wouldn't notice the cyclist hitting his trailer. My wife's stepfather had a good friend - a motorcyclist... rode a Harley Davidson - who got T-boned by a big rig when he was speeding in a dark community and ran a stop sign. Crossing traffic had no stop sign, and he was drunk. The rig never knew he had the guy plastered to his grill for a couple miles.

By all means, enjoy the ride always... but caution beckons a serious warning.
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Yes, regardless of right-of-way, cyclists always lose in an accident.
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Dead right or alive wrong... you choose.

I wish the dead fellow were still alive - he sounds like a great guy.
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if the truck driver goes up hawthorne to turn into vallon everything would be fine
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