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Old 05-04-16, 04:27 PM
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If it works and you bring a designated driver, your second beer is on me too.

(Hopefully sticking my neck out will also dissipate any impending precipitation.)
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Hangar 24 is plenty close for a post-ride libation. That pretty much sums up all the places I've had a beer in redlands so unless we can coax @tunavic into providing some input...

Speaking of - you better show up Vic!

Oh, and to cement my gratis beerverage, I also ordered some booties. Even paid for expedited shipping - Hey Amazon, why is Friday not two day shipping for 1 of my items (the only one I NEED on Friday!) but was for 2 other things? hm? Jackals.
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I also assume @Lesper4 is going, let's see if we can coax him into purchasing cold weather gear too.
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I will be there. Leg Warmers, arm warmers and a jacket. Ear covers and a fast mask. Long finger gloves as well. I would bring my winter jacket but it would do no good if it gets wet. Can they drop it on the summit for me?
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Honstly I am hoping for spotty showers. Do you remember the forecast for Sunday on mulholland challenge. They gave the options to ride either day. Sunday looked better and turned out to be dry and humid.
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Old 05-04-16, 08:29 PM
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Hangar is practically on the way back to Sylvan park. Other options are Ritual Brewing

1315 Research Dr, Redlands, CA 92374
(909) 478-7800

https://g.co/kgs/kO8Qj

And Escape Craft Brewery

721 Nevada St #401 , Redlands, CA 92373
(909) 713-3727

https://g.co/kgs/E0lm5
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Old 05-04-16, 08:32 PM
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Some of you are going way out on the cold weather gear. I just went to Onyx on Monday with summer gear on. It was cold and wet and conditions were worse than the predictions for Saturday.
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Originally Posted by tunavic View Post
Some of you are going way out on the cold weather gear. I just went to Onyx on Monday with summer gear on. It was cold and wet and conditions were worse than the predictions for Saturday.
a) They are still just predictions
b) How'd you enjoy that ride down the hill, tough guy.

As long as you're climbing that hill, even 40s is probably reasonable with a summer jersey. It's the other way I'm concerned about.
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Originally Posted by tunavic View Post
Some of you are going way out on the cold weather gear. I just went to Onyx on Monday with summer gear on. It was cold and wet and conditions were worse than the predictions for Saturday.
Thank you for the brewery suggestions!

So granted, I'm wimpy when it comes to cold weather - given that I'm a native Southern Californian . . . but - we rode to Angelus Oaks 2 weeks ago (albeit I rode very slowly) in fair weather (low-70s in Redlands, probably mid-50s in Angelus Oaks and we didn't even reach the summit); in my opinion, it was quite chill on the descent whilst in arm warmers, light knickers, a summer but long-sleeved jersey, and a summer short-sleeve base layer.

We also rode up to the summit on motorcycles and I rode with a fully insulated moto jacket, long-sleeved base layer, moto boots, and moto kevlar jeans, the day after it rained - last Friday (high 30s, low 40s), and I was dry but quite cold on the way down - however I was descending at a motorized 40-60 mph or so.

I do get colder than most of you guys but I still believe hypothermia is not an entirely improbable condition, for even the toughest of you, if you're wet going down a long descent from Onyx Summit in the low 40s . . . especially if the road is slick with sleet/snow and you have to descend slowly (and therefore over a longer duration) for safety.

I've been accused of overpacking before but even if you turn around due to chill, it'll still be colder going downhill and there's no taxis up there.

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I want to be prepared for the cold so besides bib-shorts and jersey I'll have wool long-sleeve base layer, arm warmers, full leg-warmers (possibly with knee warmers underneath), wool socks, shoe covers, wool balaclava under my helmet and my Hincapie wool jacket over the jersey . . . with my Showers Pass rain jacket in my back pocket, along with water-proof gloves for the descent. Normal cycling gloves with glove liners for the climb.

Probably put the Showers Pass jacket on for another layer on the descent even if it's not raining.

Plus, I'll have one of those light-weight back-pack string-things to put clothes in if it warms up a bit.

Should be fun. Not racing, just want to finish under the time limit.

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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
I'm going to reserve panicking about the weather until the day before, because its changing by the hour. I'm sure we can expect 30s up at Onyx, and if it's wet... (brr) the descent will be hairy.

I think I want to track down some shoe covers - anybody have any suggestions that don't look like scuba boots?
You brave souls! I'm envious of your fitness level! Maybe next year!

I was in Performance in Laguna Hills and they had an entire box of shoe covers / booties on close out at really low prices. You might check with a Performance closer to you.
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Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
I want to be prepared for the cold so besides bib-shorts and jersey I'll have wool long-sleeve base layer, arm warmers, full leg-warmers (possibly with knee warmers underneath), wool socks, shoe covers, wool balaclava under my helmet and my Hincapie wool jacket over the jersey . . . with my Showers Pass rain jacket in my back pocket, along with water-proof gloves for the descent. Normal cycling gloves with glove liners for the climb.

Probably put the Showers Pass jacket on for another layer on the descent even if it's not raining.

Plus, I'll have one of those light-weight back-pack string-things to put clothes in if it warms up a bit.

Should be fun. Not racing, just want to finish under the time limit.

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That's a great idea! I do think we'll be "lucky" in that there won't be a ton of temperature variation.

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You brave souls! I'm envious of your fitness level! Maybe next year!

I was in Performance in Laguna Hills and they had an entire box of shoe covers / booties on close out at really low prices. You might check with a Performance closer to you.
If you map out all the cool outdoor stores (performance, REI etc) they make a big giant donut around Whittier, which is a black hole of decent shopping and freeway access. Amazon delivers though.
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Oh, so I looked at a satellite view of sylvan park and the parking situation seems to be pretty tight - where do people park?
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The lot off E Park fills up, but I've never had a problem parking on either E Park St or Division street for OCW Fall Metrics or the Ride Around the Bear. I think on-street parking is OK all around the park. Granted, BA has more riders. Worst case might have to park on E. High street or University Ave. Shouldn't be a big problem, you have your bike, you don't have to walk to the registration area!
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They've changed the route, not going to Onyx Summit.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/13518845
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We have to be seriously concerned with our Riders who will be shivering at Onyx Summit even with 4 layers. Many riders may come up there with inadequate clothing, they would get cold at Onyx Summit and getting them down to 6,000 Feet would be dangerous with them shivering on the bikes and possibly losing control on the long and fast descent from 8,443 feet down to 6,000 feet. In addition, our volunteers would be very cold up there and we wouldn’t have enough vehicles to handle a potentially dangerous situation.



We have therefore decided to go with an alternative course for 2016 which will include Pass 1, Pass 2, and Pass 3 from the normal course. This means that you will be riding the infamous Jack Rabbit Trail, the brutally steep Oak Glen climb, and everyone’s favorite, Damnation Alley up to Angelus Oaks. You will then turn around and descend Damnation Alley allowing you to recover after which you’ll be challenged by climbing the opposite side of Oak Glen, then descending into the City of Beaumont where you’ll find a party at Rest Stop 4 and where the time clock will stop. From there, you’ll fly back to the finish via Oak Valley Parkway and San Timoteo Canyon Road.



The 2016 Breathless Agony route can be viewed at https://ridewithgps.com/routes/13518845 which includes the Elevation Chart at the bottom. This course will challenge you with 103.6 miles and 10,622 Feet of Climbing. All riders will be given a Route Sheet at the Registration at Sylvan Park Saturday morning. The course will not be marked with Route Arrows this year because they would be rained away by the storm that is coming in on Friday and possibly Saturday. Therefore, you will need to navigate by your Route Sheet. There aren’t very many turns on this course.



All riders who complete this entire course by checking in at the Start, each of the 4 Rest Stops, and at the Finish back at Sylvan Park will be given 2016 Breathless Agony credit towards the Planet Ultra King of the Mountains Challenge at



Planet Ultra | Cycling Events and Tours » King of the Mountains Century Challenge



Even with this modified course, it may be raining and very cold at Angelus Oaks.



You need to take the following MINIMUM RECOMMENDED clothes:

Long Fingered Gloves

Toe Warmers or Booties

Long Sleeve Baselayer

Jersey

A good and warm Windbreaker

Arm Warmers

Knee Warmers or Winter Tights



If in doubt, take the clothes: You may be very glad to have them later at the top of the Mountains you are about to descend!! We don’t transport drop bags because we believe you should have the clothes with you if a storm comes in quickly and it gets unexpectedly cold.



We recommend you carry a U.S. Postal Service Express Mail Mailing Envelope which folds up very compactly fitting in your seat pack and which will serve as a great wind protector on your chest for the descents on this course. These envelopes are made of Tyvek which is wind resistant. Thanks to the San Diego Randonneurs for sharing this tip: these mailing envelopes work great so pick some up at your Post Office.
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Well, this is disappointing, to say the least but I understand where they're coming from. Going up Oak Glen twice might even be harder - that last stretch to Onyx is only bad because it's long and at altitude.

Did you see that picture of jackrabbit trail they just emailed out?
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I just finished reading the email. I think you may be right about going back over Oak Glen being tougher. It is steeper. But I understand the reasoning.

Jack Rabbit - oh my!
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post

Did you see that picture of jackrabbit trail they just emailed out?
It's part of the "experience" of Breathless.
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Have to think about my ride strategy a bit. It will likely be a long upwind haul back to Redlands on San Timoteo. It would have been upwind coming down Damnation Alley but with more downhill. ST is only about -1.5% I think. Will be a good place to find a paceline.
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I called Kahler Cycling Academy again and spoke with Robert Kahler this time.

He said they still can’t give rollovers because they bought all the food, permits, etc. and they can’t postpone the event (even though they did it in 2003) because they need 90 days advance notice to get highway permits which they didn’t have to get back in 2003.

He also said it will snow and be quite dangerous at Onyx Summit and although he can’t control riders who go beyond his “jurisdiction” he really hopes that we won’t because the roads will be very unsafe.

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So to get out of rescheduling or granting refunds, as a consolation for not riding up the mountain, they're letting us fart around in Beaumont's mudpuddles?
Maybe that snarky clod was right.
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Have to think about my ride strategy a bit. It will likely be a long upwind haul back to Redlands on San Timoteo. It would have been upwind coming down Damnation Alley but with more downhill. ST is only about -1.5% I think. Will be a good place to find a paceline.
Might be possible too if everybody farts around at the "finish" party until 3:30. At least it's nominally downhill... nothing more depressing than uphill into a stiff breeze.

I'm still going!
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Man, that course change really blows. I was planning on Breathless this year but then decided against it because I decided to race a TT instead. I would be pretty disappointed in this route if I had registered for Breathless. I'm not saying its a bad decision, just boy I'd be sad.

Condolences to yall.

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Thanks Heathpack. You're a true human being.
This ...change does indeed blow blue whales, the largest known animal to have ever existed on planet Earth.
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