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Old 05-07-16, 07:47 AM
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Report by O.C. Transportation Authority and Cal Trans

Did anyone read the actual report quoted in the L.A. Times?

It's a mess along O.C.'s part of PCH, traffic study says - LA Times
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Old 05-07-16, 12:11 PM
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yes I saw it. Never did they use the term `free right turn`, which is why 2 cyclists were killed approaching the Newport Coast intersection.

How can Caltrans expect cyclists to safely cross through a high speed right turn transition lane? Its insane for a rider to have 60 MPH traffic coming up from their rear-right as they move left towards a light.

I already blogged this subject in bikeforums.
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No I haven't read it, but if the most pressing problem is bicycle/vehicle interactions on PCH (and similar streets in Orange County) they're just recycling a problem that's existed for decades. The PCH/Warner Ave intersection has always been a problem: strange 'islands' in the middle of the road make crossing confusing if you're coming down Warner. And Sunset Beach is an old community where the buildings were originally built (and still are) right up to the edge of the highway creating a real squeeze for bicycles traveling n/s on PCH. I find the intersection on the south side of the PCH bridge over Newport Bay to be a lot better than it was 20 years ago. Back then it was also a really tight are to get through. Its actually easier in mid-summer since the traffic jams cause the vehicles to slow down/stop, making it easier to navigate through the area.
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Here's the 'executive' version (24 pages). I'm not seeing the full version:

https://www.octa.net/pdf/OCTA_PCH_Cor...iveSummary.pdf

Since I've lived in the area for so long (since the 1970s), I've already seen a lot of improvements at intersections the study says need more improvements (across the Newport Bay bridge, Superior Ave and PCH, through the Newport Coast area). so I can't see how you could do more improvement to these intersections. The 'constricted' areas (Corona del Mar and Sunset Beach): The Pacific Ave route in Sunset Beach is a good idea, but it gets a lot of folks backing out of median parking and garages, and a lot of clueless cruiser-bikers. The alternatives through Corona Del Mar are almost a non-starter - business won't give up street parking, and bicycle riders on PCH (primarily road bikers) are not going to take the parallel alternative through neighborhoods that'll involve more lots of stop signs and low-speed neighborhood traffic.
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Originally Posted by skidder
bicycle riders on PCH (primarily road bikers) are not going to take the parallel alternative through neighborhoods that'll involve more lots of stop signs and low-speed neighborhood traffic.
Unfortunately, we'll never get the Idaho Stop here or the neighborhood routes would be a more attractive alternative.
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I'm always avoiding PCH north between Newport Coast and Jamboree. The detour, climbing Newport Coast north and descending San Joaquin east Backbay bike path, is always fun.

PCH between Laguna Beach and before Dana Point is dangerous too. I hope dedicated bike lanes can be installed soon.
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Originally Posted by marquhar
yes I saw it. Never did they use the term `free right turn`, which is why 2 cyclists were killed approaching the Newport Coast intersection.

How can Caltrans expect cyclists to safely cross through a high speed right turn transition lane? Its insane for a rider to have 60 MPH traffic coming up from their rear-right as they move left towards a light.

I already blogged this subject in bikeforums.
Particularly when the cyclist is going uphill with a head wind. For example, Newport Coast South at Hwy 73 off ramp. Luckily most of the time not much traffic there.
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Originally Posted by skidder
No I haven't read it, but if the most pressing problem is bicycle/vehicle interactions on PCH (and similar streets in Orange County) they're just recycling a problem that's existed for decades. The PCH/Warner Ave intersection has always been a problem: strange 'islands' in the middle of the road make crossing confusing if you're coming down Warner. And Sunset Beach is an old community where the buildings were originally built (and still are) right up to the edge of the highway creating a real squeeze for bicycles traveling n/s on PCH. I find the intersection on the south side of the PCH bridge over Newport Bay to be a lot better than it was 20 years ago. Back then it was also a really tight are to get through. Its actually easier in mid-summer since the traffic jams cause the vehicles to slow down/stop, making it easier to navigate through the area.
The Sunset Beach portion PCH isn't too bad (I'm biased because I live there). In the summer it's getting tricky with all the kayak/board rentals on the Huntington Harbor (north) of PCH, because there would be a lot of young people driving curelessly trying to find parking. A safer detour would be Pacific Ave south of PCH, where there are even more clueless people trying to find parking, at least at very low speed.
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