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Old 05-10-16, 05:28 PM
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Route advice

I'm kind of crafting a long ride from my house, down SART and then down PCH as far as I can stand it before I have to turn around. I'm meeting some friends at the Big A and they're ending in Carlsbad but I wont' have time to go that far. The objective is to be at my mother in law's house at a reasonable hour (4?) so I can participate in some kind of family ritual.

Anyway, I've ridden south on PCH plenty and I think I have the good detours down pat. I am totally unfamiliar with the northbound route though. Ride with GPS randomly brought me back via some inland route from Dana Point or so to Costa Mesa (near Adams / SART)

I think I've read about some general unsafeness between say, newport coast drive and jamboree or so. Not sure.

If you can suggest any alterations to what RWGPS came up with, please do. I'd prefer the most direct route back. Would it be best to just retrace my southbound route?

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/13647689
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Depending on the day you're going, Newport can be a little touch and go. I know when I've ridden on the weekends, every few blocks you get some fancy pants in her G Wagon not paying attention to the lane while pulling in or out of the yacht club with Muffy and Charrington. For the most part, however, I've found that happening for stretches of only a few blocks -- a mile tops.

One of my absolute favorite rides, probably my favorite in CA, is taking the SART from its natural trailhead in Corona at Green River, all the way to PCH in Huntington, then taking PCH clean down to San Clemente. When my friends and I did this ride, we rolled from the Metrolink station in Corona, and caught the train back up from the San Clemente pier. Gorgeous ride through Newport, down through Laguna and Crystal Cove...(not in that order) and generally an awesome ride.

Not sure how coming out of Whittier would change things for you or how you feel about trains and riding them, but the ride on PCH to San Clemente, I guarantee you is worth the time you'll spend planning it out.
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This is the route I'd take.
What time are your friends departing Anaheim? It's a damn shame you can't go past San Clemente and ride through San Onofre & Pendleton--that's really the sweetest stretch of all. If your friends are leaving early enough, you can ride down to the Oceanside Amtrak and take the Metrolink back up to Anaheim Stadium or wherever is closest to your family thing.
But if you absolutely must ride south some, and then turn around to ride back on the cruddy side of PCH, it's going to be less fun and safe.

Newport has a handful of dodgy stretches, but the worst part of Orangutan County IMO is through Laguna Beach: no bike lane, so you're stuck either riding in the door zone with speeding orangutans on your right hip.
Edit: I'd turn around slightly early, because you'll most likely have a headwind on your way back North. In fact, maybe you can ride down to the San Clemente Amtrak and catch the train back North--that'd probably be pretty nice.

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Old 05-10-16, 09:37 PM
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Your route back is in my stompin' grounds, I ride this all the time. The fastest way to Costa Mesa is back up PCH, but it is kind of a PITA as traffic builds later in the day. You would need to be very aggressive taking the lane in Laguna, I prefer doing this stretch early or at least with a group.

There is a 1:20 train from Oceanside, would deliver you to Irvine at 2:06 or Tustin at 2:12, probably about 11 miles from your final destination.

If you do want to ride back there is nothing inherently wrong with the route you show, I'd recommend a few tweaks, it has you walking your bike down the stairs and under the tracks at Laguna Hills train station to avoid a hill on Cabot Road. I'd stay on Barranca longer as Alton is a mess under construction and has a fugly intersection with I-5. I can adjust it for you if you'd like.
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Some alts in Laguna Bch

I've ridden on PCH in Laguna Beach. I know that stretch without the bike lanes. There are actually signs that are posted (at least NB) that point to a road alternative for part of it.. I think it is Glenneyre. It skirts part of the non-bike issue in Laguna. Try it. It's multi-lane in parts.
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Originally Posted by Cykilist2
I've ridden on PCH in Laguna Beach. I know that stretch without the bike lanes. There are actually signs that are posted (at least NB) that point to a road alternative for part of it.. I think it is Glenneyre. It skirts part of the non-bike issue in Laguna. Try it. It's multi-lane in parts.
yes...glenneyre. much less traffic and parallels pch thru laguna for a good spell. i'll generally just take the right lane on pch riding thru laguna but every once in a while,
i'll take glenneyre if i'm feeling slower than usual.

i find riding thru the busy part of newport on pch more challenging than laguna. for newport, you can always bounce west and hit bayside or ocean and pop back out on avocado or poppy
(depending on heading n or s) and bypass nearly all the "tight" spots thru newport.
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Surprise your mother-in-law and skip the ride all together. Spend time with the family. Don't like it?
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Old 05-11-16, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jimincalif
Your route back is in my stompin' grounds, I ride this all the time. The fastest way to Costa Mesa is back up PCH, but it is kind of a PITA as traffic builds later in the day. You would need to be very aggressive taking the lane in Laguna, I prefer doing this stretch early or at least with a group.

There is a 1:20 train from Oceanside, would deliver you to Irvine at 2:06 or Tustin at 2:12, probably about 11 miles from your final destination.

If you do want to ride back there is nothing inherently wrong with the route you show, I'd recommend a few tweaks, it has you walking your bike down the stairs and under the tracks at Laguna Hills train station to avoid a hill on Cabot Road. I'd stay on Barranca longer as Alton is a mess under construction and has a fugly intersection with I-5. I can adjust it for you if you'd like.
I am thinking of taking the train back - there's a 2:40 that goes back to Anaheim Canyon (so I could start and stop in Anaheim Canyon and meet the rest at the Big A - it's close and all SART between the two stations)

Originally Posted by calamarichris
This is the route I'd take.
What time are your friends departing Anaheim? It's a damn shame you can't go past San Clemente and ride through San Onofre & Pendleton--that's really the sweetest stretch of all. If your friends are leaving early enough, you can ride down to the Oceanside Amtrak and take the Metrolink back up to Anaheim Stadium or wherever is closest to your family thing.
But if you absolutely must ride south some, and then turn around to ride back on the cruddy side of PCH, it's going to be less fun and safe.

Newport has a handful of dodgy stretches, but the worst part of Orangutan County IMO is through Laguna Beach: no bike lane, so you're stuck either riding in the door zone with speeding orangutans on your right hip.
Edit: I'd turn around slightly early, because you'll most likely have a headwind on your way back North. In fact, maybe you can ride down to the San Clemente Amtrak and catch the train back North--that'd probably be pretty nice.
I like your little dogleg to get from Glenneyre back to Cliff, I'l have to incorporate that.

What's the purpose of the little morning canyon dogleg? If I stick to PCH, I'll probably do the Ocean / Bayside detour as well.

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Depending on the day you're going, Newport can be a little touch and go. I know when I've ridden on the weekends, every few blocks you get some fancy pants in her G Wagon not paying attention to the lane while pulling in or out of the yacht club with Muffy and Charrington. For the most part, however, I've found that happening for stretches of only a few blocks -- a mile tops.

One of my absolute favorite rides, probably my favorite in CA, is taking the SART from its natural trailhead in Corona at Green River, all the way to PCH in Huntington, then taking PCH clean down to San Clemente. When my friends and I did this ride, we rolled from the Metrolink station in Corona, and caught the train back up from the San Clemente pier. Gorgeous ride through Newport, down through Laguna and Crystal Cove...(not in that order) and generally an awesome ride.

Not sure how coming out of Whittier would change things for you or how you feel about trains and riding them, but the ride on PCH to San Clemente, I guarantee you is worth the time you'll spend planning it out.
A friend of mine likes that route starting in Corona but they seem to like going up the backside of Cannon and into Santiago Canyon too. If I decide to train back, I'll probably just park at the train station in Anaheim and ride to the A for the official start. The issue with weekends is that there are very few afternoon trains, so scheduling becomes an issue.

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Surprise your mother-in-law and skip the ride all together. Spend time with the family. Don't like it?
Pfft. I get to have my cake and eat it too, thanks.
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
I like your little dogleg to get from Glenneyre back to Cliff, I'l have to incorporate that. What's the purpose of the little morning canyon dogleg? If I stick to PCH, I'll probably do the Ocean / Bayside detour as well.

Pfft. I get to have my cake and eat it too, thanks.
Sorry, no doglegs intended. Gmaps doesn't always go exactly where you drag your route.

When are your fellow riders embarking? Any chance you can ride down and catch the train back up from the train station in either San Clemente or Oceanside? That would be my choice over riding back up on the northbound side of PCH. After Newport it really turns into a lovely ride, and after San Clemente it only gets better. Like 5 miles without seeing a single stoplight or stopsign.




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Old 05-12-16, 10:40 AM
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Well, I'm thinking it might be possible to park at Anaheim Canyon, which is served by a different metrolink train than ARTIC, which would let me take an earlier train (departs O-side at 2:40 I think instead of 5:30). That's option A but I need a fall back plan and a route in case we get delayed enough to warrant a turn around rather than continuing. Probably the only thing I would really have to sacrifice to pull it off is lunch in Oceanside, but that's not a deal breaker.
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I never liked riding through Newport Beach. (What's a G Wagon?). Take Bayside Dr.,,, it will cut off some of Newport and all of Corona Del Mar traffic.
My usual method when going south was to go down the Balboa Peninsula, take the ferry to Balboa Island, take Bayside Dr, jog a couple of times thru the neighborhood and then pickup PCH. It took longer but was better for me.
Laguna PCH is narrow, traffic, but just last for short time.
I would usually come back Laguna Canyon Rd, but haven't ridden that since they redid the road.
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Well, that worked out well and I made Oceanside with PLENTY of time to hang out at Breakwater for a beer or two before the train departed back to Anaheim Canyon. Bayside was a nice detour, although a little fishy smelling. We got all tied up with the crowds on the Cruz gran fondo for a little bit, but I always like seeing hordes of cyclists out on public roads so no worries there.

Metrolink has a phone app now, which was more pleasant to use than the ticket machine.

https://www.strava.com/activities/576241678

Thanks for the tips!
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