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Old 05-17-16, 10:57 AM
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Turnbull Canyon - traffic in the afternoon

I work about 10 mins from there and looking to do hill repeats after work between 5-6PM.

It looks like there's not much room on the road for bike and a bit tighter than GMR. Just curious if anyone ride during those time and know how much traffic on the Whittier side.

I'll be riding up from Beverly Blvd and descend down to the Fire Station then repeats.

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Haven't ridden it, but have driven it many times.

There are some blind corners going up from the Whittier side where you have a narrow lane and no where to go to the right.

It does get a commuter short cut traffic conga line AM and PM and in the off hours, more than its share of street racer types.

One of these days I'm going to have a go at it from the Industry side but it will be early on a Sunday morning.
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I've done it a few times during peak hours, both from the Whittier side. Not much traffic and not much residential on the Whittier side to Skyline Rd. I guess the majority of commuters would just take Colima. I can't see why would anybody drive Turnbull to save time unless they live there. I'm more concerned with idiots testing/racing their cars there.

There's this one time, on 2015 Thanksgiving Day, I rode Turnbull by myself late in the afternoon. Unfortunately there were three cars racing up and down Turnbull Canyon Rd, making a lot of noise. I ended up making a lot Strava PRs trying to get out of there quick.

I see you from OC. I like to do Hill Repeats at NPC/Ridge Park/Vista Ridge/Pelican Hills. Cars there travels fast but it's generally safe if you stay in the bike lane.
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Originally Posted by hsuehhwa
I've done it a few times during peak hours, both from the Whittier side. Not much traffic and not much residential on the Whittier side to Skyline Rd. I guess the majority of commuters would just take Colima. I can't see why would anybody drive Turnbull to save time unless they live there. I'm more concerned with idiots testing/racing their cars there.

There's this one time, on 2015 Thanksgiving Day, I rode Turnbull by myself late in the afternoon. Unfortunately there were three cars racing up and down Turnbull Canyon Rd, making a lot of noise. I ended up making a lot Strava PRs trying to get out of there quick.

I see you from OC. I like to do Hill Repeats at NPC/Ridge Park/Vista Ridge/Pelican Hills. Cars there travels fast but it's generally safe if you stay in the bike lane.
Thanks for the comment. That's a relieve to hear. I will give it a try tomorrow after work.

OC has wide bike lanes so I never really get worry, plus I ride in a group over the weekend. That helps also.
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Another good one is Ganado Repeats at Palos Verdes. A bit far from OC but worth the drive. Tough climb but safe descent. Right turn loop through a quiet residential: ~11% one mile climb of Ganado + 5-6% descend from Crest+PV Dr East to where you start. I personally found this repeat extremely effective.

https://www.strava.com/segments/11372197
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There are also some other options for hills in the immediate area (the "descending" option I mentioned has almost zero traffic, edgeridge aka deathridge is another steep option). Belle River Dr is another super steep option, Colima is big and wide and straight and further east you have West Rd and some assorted side streets.

If you just want something close and quick to get some hills in, Turnbull is a nice road. Can't get much more convenient than that!
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I've ridden Turnbull maybe a hundred times and never had a problem. Plenty of room and even the guys who fancy themselves race drivers give me plenty of room. I also 2nd TrojanHorse's recommendations.

Edgeridge is lovely, almost a European flavor, Descending is very narrow but I've yet to see a car on it (could happen though) and Belle River is steep but a plenty wide road. East and West roads are not that challenging but very twisty and beautiful scenery. Avocado Crest off Hacienda is lots of (climbing) fun too with a wonderful view of the golf course way down below!

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I still can't believe I never rode Turnbull, especially when it's only about 5 mins away from my work. Thanks for all you guys' suggestions.

I was able to ride up for the 1st time yesterday. Caught up with a group and did Turnbull x2 and what a beautiful climb it was. Still had plenty left in the tank on the 2nd time around, so felt a little adventurous. Took a right turn on Athel Dr. = BIG f*** MISTAKE. 0.5 mile of 14% grade felt like an eternity. Once it's "leveled" out to 9%, it really felt like I was riding on flat road


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Originally Posted by asiantrick
I still can't believe I never rode Turnbull, especially when it's only about 5 mins away from my work. Thanks for all you guys' suggestions.

I was able to ride up for the 1st time yesterday. Caught up with a group and did Turnbull x2 and what a beautiful climb it was. Still had plenty left in the tank on the 2nd time around, so felt a little adventurous. Took a right turn on Athel Dr. = BIG f*** MISTAKE. 0.5 mile of 14% grade felt like an eternity. Once it's "leveled" out to 9%, it really felt like I was riding on flat road


I think Athel turns into Edgeridge (perhaps you recall the moniker "Deathridge" from earlier?)

Glad you enjoyed it - I figure the more cyclists we get up there the merrier.
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you see all the thorny cactus behind your bike? Lucky for you, they are planted on the down-slope,
away from the road.

In the hillsides above and between hacienda & east, you will see the orchards protected with the same plants to discourage the livestock, mostly deer and horses. When you see these planted on up slopes, beware, since the thorns will find their way to the road. I've got a few punctures this way and had to stop in the residential area to fix it.
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Originally Posted by marquhar
you see all the thorny cactus behind your bike? Lucky for you, they are planted on the down-slope,
away from the road.

In the hillsides above and between hacienda & east, you will see the orchards protected with the same plants to discourage the livestock, mostly deer and horses. When you see these planted on up slopes, beware, since the thorns will find their way to the road. I've got a few punctures this way and had to stop in the residential area to fix it.
Thanks for the head up. My biggest concern is getting a puncture while descending.
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this image is from La Habra Heights, not Turnbull, but its similar terrain.
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If you want some nice hill repeats with virtually no traffic, look at some of the roads in La Habra Heights. It's very accessible from the Turnbull network of roads too.

This one has a nice 700ft - https://www.strava.com/segments/2931807 and has a bunch of veins with little 150ft. blasters you can do more.
Any day or hour, you'll find the traffic very bike friendly.
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I'm coming at it from the other side of the hill so I'll regularly hit it from Pathfinder and Fullerton Rd and then on up to Radio peak to what's called the "purple Sage" trail on your map (really a powerline access road) over to Hacienda and then bomb down Hacienda home. ( CX fat tires recommended, but I've seen plenty of skinny road tire tracks)

Today I went exploring up Vantage Pointe Dr. (the light at the top of Harbor). I was trying to get to the abandoned cold war Nike missile battery that's at the end of the road, but was thwarted by a gate. Still a killer climb on wide residential streets.
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There are some nasty hills in La Habra / Hacienda Heights... I found a few new ones tonight including a wall-o-cactus (the north loop of subtropic off West Rd)
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Originally Posted by TGT1
Today I went exploring up Vantage Pointe Dr. (the light at the top of Harbor). I was trying to get to the abandoned cold war Nike missile battery that's at the end of the road, but was thwarted by a gate. Still a killer climb on wide residential streets.
That's some steep climbing! I think the Strava Segment is called "Vantage of Death" Haha. https://www.strava.com/segments/5338291


I was trying to get to the abandoned cold war Nike missile battery that's at the end of the road, but was thwarted by a gate. Still a killer climb on wide residential streets.
This thing is a missile silo? Had no idea. Source?
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Off topic, but wow, you're not kidding. Curiosity and Google got the best of me:




Crazy what you learn about your community on two wheels. I guess it makes sense considering the elevation and relative proximity to the coast.
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Originally Posted by Eyenigma
That's some steep climbing! I think the Strava Segment is called "Vantage of Death" Haha. https://www.strava.com/segments/5338291





This thing is a missile silo? Had no idea. Source?
LOL, my back was sore for a week after that ride. That ride was 40 miles and 3300 ft. First portion was Hollenbeck/ Hillside to Grand and then Temple to Chino Hills Pkwy, Grand and Pathfinder over to Harbor.

One thing puzzles me though. I'm not a Sprayvada user, but the few segments I've seen tend to be like the one you posted. They often end at a non logical point. (well maybe it is logical in that I had to stop at the same point and stretch out a bit)There are several short ones on Grand that do the same thing.

What's the rationale for this?

Maybe it's just me coming from a climbing/mountaineering background.

No top out / no bragging rights.


Still need to hop the fence and make it to the Silos. They are about a half mile up the road from the remains of the radar site in the video according to Google earth.

Here's a vid with more detail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kaoBeklaMo
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One thing puzzles me though. I'm not a Strava user, but the few segments I've seen tend to be like the one you posted. They often end at a non logical point. (well maybe it is logical in that I had to stop at the same point and stretch out a bit)There are several short ones on Grand that do the same thing.What's the rationale for this?
Good question. I think it varies on who actually created the segment. Often times there are segments within segments. For instance, the road you're referring to has a segment from the start all the way to the end:

https://www.strava.com/segments/6967921

Then someone else (presumably) created a segment within that, just isolating a specific section. Likely the steepest part of the climb because they wanted to compare times just for that stretch. Which is that Death segment, linked above. Or in some cases people will link two tough segments and make them into one mega segment.

https://www.strava.com/segments/3961771 this comes to mind. Which combines 3 mini climbs from Euclid, Walnut Ave, and Cypress St. into one stretch. That's kind of the fun of the app. You can make a segment around your neighborhood if you want. Really it's a canvas that you can use to track whatever you want.
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I went up to turn bull yesterday and the road was closed. Anyone know when they will reopen?
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Originally Posted by TGT1
One thing puzzles me though. I'm not a Sprayvada user, but the few segments I've seen tend to be like the one you posted. They often end at a non logical point. (well maybe it is logical in that I had to stop at the same point and stretch out a bit)There are several short ones on Grand that do the same thing.

What's the rationale for this?
There are a lot of ridiculously short Strava segments, it's true. I created two partial hill segments near me because I live in the middle of the hill and never ride the full thing. If nobody really uses those segments, they fall off into the "hidden efforts" portion of the ride display after a while. Most people wouldn't care about them but for me they make sense.

If you go look at GMR, there's gate -> Shack and then about a billion little portions in between, but I imagine not many people turn around before the shack (that also use Strava) so I don't get it a lot of the time either.
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I went up to turn bull yesterday and the road was closed. Anyone know when they will reopen?
It was probably for the hauntings and ghosts. Or the Satanic cult?
(Yes, I'm kidding) but some believe there are those (still) up there:

Turnbull Canyon - Ghosts, Hauntings & The Paranormal - Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums


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I ride up at Turnbull all the time. Watch out for the idiot racers and wanna be drifters, like this idiot who crossed the double yellow in front of me:


I was also pushed to the shoulder while descending when another idiot decided to cross the double yellow in the middle of a blind hairpin. I missed being smacked his car by about 5 feet. No video of that, unfortunately.

There's also this idiot who decided to just stop his car in the middle of the road to take a picture:



Use caution; idiots o' plenty up in those parts!
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the guy in the Honda is getting the photo as you are moving away? (since you are on left side of road).

Descending Turnbull into Hacienda Heights toward Pomona
Watch out for the Asian guy with the telephoto lens at the bottom of Turnbull that will try to block the road with a slow 3-point U-turn. I swear this guy is going for a snuff shot, either of the rider crashing off-road, or wrecking in a laydown, or worse. You will see him pausing in his Van at Los Altos, watching you coming and then taking the photos as you try to avoid him.

You are coming out from Long Beach to ride in Whittier, Hacienda Height, & La Habra heights? I've found that descending Colima is so dangerous now from all the cracks and marble size gravel that I stopped going out there.

Let me suggest that you skip the Turnbull area and instead head out to Santiago Canyon in Orange. Its about 15 extra miles riding, but worth it.

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the guy in the Honda is getting the photo as you are moving away? (since you are on left side of road).
No, I moved to the left side of the road bc I saw that Honda stopped in the middle of the road in my lane as I was descending. There really was no where else for me to go (this was also after a blind corner).

Descending Turnbull into Hacienda Heights toward Pomona
Watch out for the Asian guy with the telephoto lens at the bottom of Turnbull that will try to block the road with a slow 3-point U-turn. I swear this guy is going for a snuff shot, either of the rider crashing off-road, or wrecking in a laydown, or worse. You will see him pausing in his Van at Los Altos, watching you coming and then taking the photos as you try to avoid him.
Thanks for the heads-up! I have not seen him out there before.


You are coming out from Long Beach to ride in Whittier, Hacienda Height, & La Habra heights? I've found that descending Colima is so dangerous now from all the cracks and marble size gravel that I stopped going out there.

Let me suggest that you skip the Turnbull area and instead head out to Santiago Canyon in Orange. Its about 15 extra miles riding, but worth it.
Unfortunately, there really aren't any decent length climbs near LB, as everything on Signal Hill is short. Turnbull is the closest it gets to get some decent climbing in, and is only 20 miles from my place, via mostly SGRT. Those climbs you mentioned in OC maybe 15 miles more, but thats 30 miles more RT, and with the stoplights, I'm afraid I don't have a lot of time to get down there and back with my schedule. Besides, OC canyon roads have seen their fare share of accidents as well.

I'm not usually on Colima, except to get to Punta del Este after descending the east side of Turnbull Canyon.

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