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Old 01-22-18, 09:29 AM
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While I know it probably indicates that I'm an awful person, whenever I see a pic of one of the "homeless" next to the river trail, and they've got a cigarette in one hand and a Galaxy Note in the other, I'm a little less concerned with their "plight." In one of the comments after the article, someone mentioned them just moving north up the trail, and part of that is likely true-- but this ain't the OC. The riverbed is still a riverbed, and public works has a technique for moving the tentvilles when they start popping up in the wash: bulldozers.
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Old 01-22-18, 09:51 AM
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Hey, I'm with you Dr. Isotope. She's got a bigger cell phone than I do! Damn.
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Old 01-22-18, 01:13 PM
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In my opinion these people have embraced, by choice, this lifestyle. As reported in the paper and repeated here in this thread, something like 900 out of 1000 homeless people in this encampment "refused" any type of help when it was offered to them. The Times article stating that there are not enough beds is irrelevant.
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I rode it yesterday.. figured since it would be closed for a while I'd go on the last day open. To me it looked the same as before, but without the people. I saw all the same tents and frames, heard some generators running, even saw some solar panels up...and a ton of trash, but there were very few people actually around. Guessing they're moving on and left all the crap. Looking forward to the re-opening.
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Sort of odd to see the assorted bags of whatever that some wandering street people truck around– not, apparently, the sort of materialism decried by Leftists' Utopian socialism.
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Old 01-22-18, 08:49 PM
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I rode up from the beach to the footbridge at 17th street in Santa Ana (about 10 miles one way). I did see a few homeless 'on the move', but no tents/camps. It'll be interesting to see what it looks like in a few months and if they (the County) keep up the access restrictions. I'm also waiting to see all the YouTube videos that are sure to pop up in the next few weeks of the homeless being "forced" off the river.
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Old 01-22-18, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
Sort of odd to see the assorted bags of whatever that some wandering street people truck around– not, apparently, the sort of materialism decried by Leftists' Utopian socialism.
I think you've really hit on the core of the problem with this insight.
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Old 01-27-18, 08:25 PM
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Any news on how the relocation is going? I've been checking the OC Register online but haven't seen anything on it since Monday>
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I heard a rumor that some homeless moved into Santiago Creek Park (there's bike path there). But it's unconfirmed rumor. I live pretty close to Santiago Creek Park and I haven't visit there yet.
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Old 01-28-18, 09:38 PM
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If they have, hopefully Santa Ana PD won't let them stay. I don't think the residents will be very welcoming to them. I used to live in that neighborhood on Fairmont. Nice 'hood.
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Old 01-29-18, 12:53 PM
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Surprised it took them this long.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/2...-ana-riverbed/
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As someone in the article comments pointed out, this is why the county sent people down there to survey-- and something like 90% of the "residents" refused aid. I don't think they'll get the injunction this time. Especially when the county can work from the "environmental threat" angle.
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What I don't understand, if they are in clear violation of the law, why can't they be forcefully removed? There are plenty of signs stating "No Trespassing" etc. Just because you erect a tent doesn't negate those laws.
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Old 01-29-18, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jimincalif View Post
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA


Sometimes I really hate this state.

All this *****ing about rights being violated - you have no rights that you can't pay for, chuckie.
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Old 01-29-18, 09:13 PM
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What I don't understand, if they are in clear violation of the law, why can't they be forcefully removed? There are plenty of signs stating "No Trespassing" etc. Just because you erect a tent doesn't negate those laws.
There was a court case on this last summer(?) and as a result the County govt could not move someone unless they (the County of Orange) met certain criteria: they'd have to provide some type of temporary shelter, store the person's possessions for up to 90 day, and a few other things. The County couldn't identify the temporary shelters, so it turned into something of a 'stand-off'. That injunction might have expired and now the County govt is trying to do something about it before the court intervene again.

And lets face it - moving a few folks here-and-there is pretty easy and won't cause much of a media circus to develop. But moving 500 people at once, and with some 'assertive force', is going to get the news cameras from all over descending on the OC to make the government look like the meanie in this situation.
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope View Post
As someone in the article comments pointed out, this is why the county sent people down there to survey-- and something like 90% of the "residents" refused aid. I don't think they'll get the injunction this time. Especially when the county can work from the "environmental threat" angle.
It hasn't been since something you'd see in the movies back made in the 40s where a beat cop would rap the soles of the shoes of a bum, sleeping on a park bench under a few sheets of a newspaper, and tell him to get up and move along... you pretty much have to be sleeping in the sand under a kiddy slide in the park to get the boot.
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Got this from my city today, looks like they are preparing even though we are not that close to SART:
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Second homeless liaison officer added in Lake Forest

The city has added a second homeless liaison officer as a precaution in case of an uptick in homeless activity in Lake Forest while authorities close the large camps along the Santa Ana River.

Deputies in the Homeless Liaison Program, launched in the city in 2015, receive additional training on mental illness and how to connect the homeless population with available services and resources.

Adding a second deputy ensures a consistent approach as deputies balance offering resources to help homeless individuals and enforcing the city’s municipal code, officials said.
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One more story about the recent lawsuit:

https://voiceofoc.org/2018/01/lawsui...-it-wont-stop/

I did see two individuals on bicycles with loaded trailers heading south on the SART last weekend, not sure where they ended up. It looks like there are 1, maybe 2, folks living around the Hamilton/Victoria bridge between Huntington Beach and Costa Mesa (first bridge up from PCH).
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Originally Posted by Garfield Cat View Post
Latest Article in Los Angeles Times about the Santa Ana River and the Homeless

More than 500 homeless people wonder where they?ll go as O.C. clears out largest encampment near Angel Stadium
Sad.

Curious, has it been this bad for decades? 10 years? How long? A few years according to the article.

One thing is for sure, the climate, and the high cost of living is exacerbating the situation.

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There are always homeless people but I don't recall any huge encampments like we're seeing on SART any earlier than about 2 years ago. Just the usual groups under underpasses.
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Sad.

Curious, has it been this bad for decades? 10 years? How long? A few years according to the article.

One thing is for sure, the climate, and the high cost of living is exacerbating the situation.
As TrojanHorse mentions above there have always been a few homeless on the SART, especially under the bridges that cross over it; I can remember people in those areas 20+ years ago. But it was a sparse few, nothing even close to whats there today.

About two years ago there was a large homeless camp across the SART from where it is now, probably because there was a social services agency building on that side, and it was at the bottom of the levee hidden from view. That building got torn down due to ground contamination and the social service agency moved about 7 miles away. That was followed by the homeless being evicted so the river levee could be worked on, so they all moved over to the other side next to Angel Stadium, commercial properties, residential neighborhoods, and the trail itself, and that's when the complaints started pouring into local govt agencies. The rest is history . . .
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They just cleared out some large encampments in Baltimore. But these were in bad areas under 295. It's a problem in many places. Especially a place where people can panhandle, or walk to a location that they can panhandle.
There is just seems like decent year round weather (with the obvious exception many of you know more about than I do) is really adding to the problem there, and in the deep south. And the lack of Jobs.
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I'm planning a ride that will take me North on the SART from Huntington Beach. How far can I go before I'll be directed off the path?
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I'm planning a ride that will take me North on the SART from Huntington Beach. How far can I go before I'll be directed off the path?
Memory Lane/Garden Grove Blvd underpass, just about 1/2 mile south of the 22 freeway. About 10 miles up from PCH. (its Memory Lane in Santa Ana on the east side of the SART, Garden Grove Blvd in Garden Grove on the west side of the SART).
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