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Old 04-30-17, 02:36 PM
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Santa Ana River Trail Bypass

It has been years since I rode the SART but I plan to start again (Riverside H.B.). After scouting the trail by car I determined that the majority of the homeless camps are south of Katella and north of Memory Lane so I am planning ways to bypass this stretch. Can anyone advise me as to the best way to do this?

As a side note I have been advised to avoid the homeless camps because some individuals can be dangerous. This agrees with my own experiences interacting with homeless. Even though the majority are very friendly (they live in a culture in which they help and look out for each other) self-medicating is endemic and there are enough troubled individuals that caution is warranted. For me the danger is compounded by the number and length of the underpasses in this area (everyone raised on fairy tales knows that Trolls live under bridges). Frankly, I found the long underpasses a bit creepy even before the current situation.

On the other hand I am also uncomfortable riding on the street. Drivers are more aggressive than they were 20-30 years ago and most do not want you there, so it make me wonder, how truly dangerous are the homeless camps. I believe there are incidents but is there anyone here who regularly rides through these areas? I am retired (70) so I can ride pretty much any time I want but it will always be in the morning. Also I will not be riding fast and I am willing to slow for congestion.
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Old 04-30-17, 02:57 PM
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The big homeless camp between Katella and Chapman on the east side of the river is gone - the authorities leveled the camp and purposely filled that area with high mounds of dirt to stop anyone else from setting up there. While some of the homeless have moved on, some have migrated to the west bank of the river in the same spot and other have spread out on the same side between Katella and Lincoln.

I was out in that area on Friday around noon (my first time) and didn't run into any "dangerous" homeless. In fact, the few brief interactions I had with those I did encounter were not unpleasant at all. These are, after all, fellow human beings we're talking about. However, I know too that there are many out there who should be properly medicated and are not, either because they choose their own way of medicating or refuse to take any medications at all. I haven't encountered any like that yet.

The only thing I can say is that there appear to be others out there biking and jogging, who may be willing to help out if you run into any problems (or at least call the police for you) and I'm sure at least some of the homeless may be willing to offer some level of support. At least I would hope so. These are, as I said previously, fellow human beings we're talking about.

Anyway, I think I would rather take my chances with the homeless on a relatively quiet trail than drivers in the area around the two stadiums. At the end of the day, who really knows the true mental state of either group?
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Old 04-30-17, 03:21 PM
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Nice! They clear them out on the side you cannot ride a bike. There is nothing on the east side between Katella and Chapman except the police training facility. Maybe that explains the effort.
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Old 04-30-17, 06:21 PM
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I ride up from the beach at least once each weekend (Fri-Sun), usually turn around at Orangewood, and I haven't had any problems with the homeless up to that point (I know they're more concentrated just north of there towards Katella and Angel Stadium). The bigger problem is their dogs; they're allowed to (pretty much) roam free and can be a hazard. Just slow down going through and you should be fine.

FWIW: There have been homeless under the bridges for at least a decade; I've seen 'em there for at least that long under all the bridges between the beach and Angel Stadium. Never had a problem with them back then or more recently as their numbers have swelled up.
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Old 05-19-17, 02:33 PM
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the worse stretch is from Angel stadium all the way to the golf course if you are going toward the ocean, the homeless (zombies) are all over it looks like a post apocalyptic camp, it dangerous I used to do a 40 mile round trip from PCH to Yorba and aback now I avoid SART like the plague.










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It has been years since I rode the SART but I plan to start again (Riverside H.B.). After scouting the trail by car I determined that the majority of the homeless camps are south of Katella and north of Memory Lane so I am planning ways to bypass this stretch. Can anyone advise me as to the best way to do this?

As a side note I have been advised to avoid the homeless camps because some individuals can be dangerous. This agrees with my own experiences interacting with homeless. Even though the majority are very friendly (they live in a culture in which they help and look out for each other) self-medicating is endemic and there are enough troubled individuals that caution is warranted. For me the danger is compounded by the number and length of the underpasses in this area (everyone raised on fairy tales knows that Trolls live under bridges). Frankly, I found the long underpasses a bit creepy even before the current situation.

On the other hand I am also uncomfortable riding on the street. Drivers are more aggressive than they were 20-30 years ago and most do not want you there, so it make me wonder, how truly dangerous are the homeless camps. I believe there are incidents but is there anyone here who regularly rides through these areas? I am retired (70) so I can ride pretty much any time I want but it will always be in the morning. Also I will not be riding fast and I am willing to slow for congestion.
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Old 06-11-17, 02:53 PM
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As to a by pass for SART from Katella past the golf course, there are realistically only two choices: State College Bl/City Drive to Memory Lane and back on the trail at the golf course, or Main Street through Orange, back on the trail at Santiago Park. Both will have HEAVY vehicular traffic no matter what time you ride. Are you familiar with the term "You're S.O.L.?" Sorry to say, you're basically SOL. I would go the Main Street route mineself.
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Old 06-11-17, 07:36 PM
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Rode from Kraemer to Adams today on SART and while the homeless population appears to be steadily increasing, it's still not enough to keep me off the path, at least during daylight hours.

A bunch of "volunteers" were roaming around generally clogging up the path handing out bags of... something... to the campers.

It's a mess.

I'm slightly amused by those new parks the city installed next to the path. There are so many homeless tents around the ones by Anaheim stadium I seriously doubt anybody would ever take a child there.
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Old 06-11-17, 08:33 PM
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I've ridden Batavia to the E of the SART, you can pick it up at Lincoln or Ball IIRC. But it ends at the 22 and you have to jog over to Parker or Main, or Memory Lane and work your way around the freeways and then you are quite a ways east of SART at that point since it runs WS/NE where the roads are N/S and E/W.
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Old 06-12-17, 10:35 AM
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When did the SART start stopping at the 22? I used to ride it all the way to HB.
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Old 06-12-17, 12:07 PM
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When did the SART start stopping at the 22? I used to ride it all the way to HB.
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It is not clear what it means but I assume IT = Batavia in this instance since we're talking about bypassing SART.

I think most of the clutter is gone by Chapman (heading south at least). I might have to try this next time.
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Old 06-12-17, 04:03 PM
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Batavia tees into La Veta just before the 22. Can go W to Main or E to Parker/Memory Lane to get over the 22. Once you work your way over the 5 in that area you are almost 2 miles east of SART.
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From what I saw blasting through last weekend, yeah, it's a problem-- the tent villes aren't even pretending to be transient-- I saw multiple tents with fences and yard decorations. And you can understand why the county kinda turns a blind eye. Compared to any other avenue, the SART is pretty lightly traveled. This is "outta sight outta mind" in living color.

But beyond that, if y'all think this is bad, you've been living in a nice neighborhood for too long, and I envy you that. I'm San Bernardino born and raised, and watched an entire city decay into a condition that in some areas isn't far removed from a bunch of tents near a bike trail, only on a significantly larger scale. And the homeless encampments up here keep accidentally setting things on fire. We get enough fires without the tent cities bursting into flames.

I think I mentioned it in another (similar) thread-- we have less of a homeless incursion problem further east, because the river is actually a river. Dirt, trees, running water, all the amenities. Tents are far outnumbered by clapboard shacks and elaborate tarp & sheet metal edifices, nestled in under the trees. The only time we see tents near the trail is during big rains, and that doesn't happen often.
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Old 06-12-17, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
It is not clear what it means but I assume IT = Batavia in this instance since we're talking about bypassing SART.
I reread it and yes, it makes sense to me now. He's talking about Batavia, not the SART per se.
My bad, my apologies.
My ex lived off of Parker. IIRC Parker doesn't join either Memory Lane or the SART off of La Veta. Parker makes a loop and comes back out same place it goes in. Is the trail accessible from Hart Park? Santiago Park?
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Parker turns into Memory Lane S of the 22 and curves around to Main. It doesn't cross the 5 so it does not connect to Memory Lane W of the 5 to the SART. To get back to the SART you have to cross the 5 on Broadway or Main to pick up W Santa Clara. I've ridden Main, it was OK on a Sunday morning, other times might not be so great. I don't recall if I've ridden over the 5 on Broadway. Hart/Santiago Park - I don't think so. The 5 breaks everything up around there. Google Maps shows Santiago Creek trail passing under the 5 but then not going anywhere. I have no personal knowledge of this trail.
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Santiago Creek Trail does not go beyond 5 (not to mention not safe for any of us going under 5 due to drug users and male prostitute). But it ended at the mall instead of going under 5.
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