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Old 08-09-17, 11:38 AM   #1
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Bike Path Question (Torrance, Redondo, Hermosa)

Where do people ride in this area?


The bike path has become basically impassable, especially in Hermosa Beach where you have to dismount and walk your bike (on the bike path! ? ! ?).


Redondo isn't much better. The "no riding" section is shorter but the people on the path are totally out of control.


Is anyone working to remedy this problem? Manhattan Beach has a separate pedestrian pathway and that helps tremendously. Any plan for something similar in other parts of the South Bay?


Are there alternative routes that are bike friendly that avoid all this while still allowing for a work out?
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Old 08-09-17, 11:50 AM   #2
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Rolling hill, PV, up the hills

Maybe Palo Verdes Dr N if you are comfortable with riding with cars next to you? but otherwise, there isn't really a dedicated bike path that you can ride for miles no people or cars.
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Old 08-09-17, 11:58 AM   #3
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The people on the Bike Path a "real and present danger" - children, drunkards, inattentive adults. Actually, I think cars are less of a problem, although you're likely to have a worse outcome when there is a problem.




It is ironic to live in a place so hostile to bike riding when that place could otherwise be a biker's paradise. It is also ironic to contemplate the need to drive to Manhattan Beach just to go for a healthful bike ride (MB>EP>ES>PdR>MdR and back ~ 12 miles?).
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the RB/HB/MB section of the bike path is, for serious cyclists, merely a way of getting from one end of the South Bay to another. It is too crowded/sandy/full of Freddies to safely ride at speed. There are parallel streets through the 3 beach cities tha can be used to avoid the crowds et al, but again are more for getting around. Once you get to Palos Verdes (south) or points north, you can open it up - but you'll be riding with traffic.
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Palos Verdes + 1


I almost never rode on the beach bike path with a road bike.
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I find the speed limited section of The Strand just south of Hermosa to be the worst. Thankfully, there is a an alternate route on the street to bypass this stretch entirely. Other than that, it's fine. However, as others have mentioned, you have to pay attention because boneheads are gonna stagger out into the path without looking pretty much everywhere. Worst offenders are middle-aged beachgoers and asshat millennial teens.
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Never rode the area but in winter have surfed a cove on the north side of PV for years. Public parking along a stretch of Paseo del Mar south of the Palo Verde Drive North/West roundabout. Some punchy little hills in that area and always cyclists on the road. Not all streets have designated bike lanes but some are nice & wide regardless.
Check the area on a map site & drive potential routes if you're concerned about narrow sections of road.
BTW traffic increases exponentially every 1/2 hour or so after sunrise.
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I ride this bike path most every day to work. First off, it is more of an MUP than a bike path. Pretty empty between 7 and 8 in the morning. Hermosa gets crowded on the weekends. I'm not going to say I haven't had some close calls. I assume everyone I see is drunk between the Redondo and Manhattan piers.

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I ride this bike path most every day to work. First off, it is more of an MUP than a bike path. Pretty empty between 7 and 8 in the morning. Her moss gets crowded on the weekends. I'm not going to say I haven't had some close calls. I assume everyone I see is drunk between the Redondo and Manhattan piers.
pretty much my historic experiences the last 35 years. about the only semi-safe time you can let it rip for a decent stretch is early in the morning. north of manhattan beach and south of redondo pier are best. if you're looking for a
safer alternative than north/south coastal roads, you'll be happy. if you're looking for a faster and safer alternative than north/south coastal roads, you'll be unhappy. weekends are insane.
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Where do people ride in this area?


The bike path has become basically impassable, especially in Hermosa Beach where you have to dismount and walk your bike (on the bike path! ? ! ?).


Redondo isn't much better. The "no riding" section is shorter but the people on the path are totally out of control.


Is anyone working to remedy this problem? Manhattan Beach has a separate pedestrian pathway and that helps tremendously. Any plan for something similar in other parts of the South Bay?


Are there alternative routes that are bike friendly that avoid all this while still allowing for a work out?

I ride the bike path in that section almost every day. I disagree that's its become "impassable". The only section where a cyclist has to dismount is the short 100 yard section at the Hermosa pier but that's only during rare events during the summer and even then most people don't dismount. I have been riding through there for 30 years and I cant remember a time where I ever dismounted in that section.


The Redondo section only has one "dismount" section and that's also at the pier. The distance there is about 50 yards. I always dismount that section but only because that police department hates me and will give me a ticket but in 30 years of riding I have never seen anyone stopped or ticketed so.....you don't have to dismount.


As far as pedestrians and other users.....yes, it can be a problem during the day during the summer. I ride a lot at night but I have posted videos of idiot users that can present a hazard. Just don't ride 25mph on the path.


I am going out for a ride in about an hour and I will be riding the Redondo and Hermosa sections. Its a great place to ride and most definitely not impassable.
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I've been on the path in the late morning, in the afternoon and in the evening. I've been on it weekdays and weekends. It is always busy when I am there.


I'm not sure what to make of your post, though, as seemingly, you violate the local traffic ordinances. Are you suggesting I do likewise? There are flashing red lights warning you to dismount. It is not legal to ride in those sections. This is being a scoff-law and brings bikers into disrepute.


Outside those areas, for the full length of the path in Hermosa Beach, the speed limit is posted as 8 mph. I'm not sure I can ride at only 8 mph. Do you ignore that, too?


No, I don't ride it at 9:30 PM, at least not any more. I'd bet there are people walking on it even at night, although probably very, very few due to safety concerns. Am I wrong?


Yes, I am unhappy about the whole damned thing!
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if you want a serious workout without too many stop signs and stop lights, you need to ride (over to) the palos verdes peninsula. plenty of hills but if
you just wanna do semi-flattish, you can circumnavigate the peninsula, using western ave. on the south side.
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if you want a serious workout without too many stop signs and stop lights, you need to ride (over to) the palos verdes peninsula. plenty of hills but if
you just wanna do semi-flattish, you can circumnavigate the peninsula, using western ave. on the south side.

Yes, thank you, I will have to map that out and try it.
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I'm not sure what to make of your post, though, as seemingly, you violate the local traffic ordinances. Are you suggesting I do likewise? There are flashing red lights warning you to dismount. It is not legal to ride in those sections. This is being a scoff-law and brings bikers into disrepute.

Outside those areas, for the full length of the path in Hermosa Beach, the speed limit is posted as 8 mph. I'm not sure I can ride at only 8 mph. Do you ignore that, too?




Yes and yes. I filed a public records request with Hermosa and Manhattan Beach for citations issued in the last 5 years for the exact city ordinances mentioned. None have been issued.
So if you want to obey the law that the police don't care about and don't cite anyone for.....you would be the only person obeying it.
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Yes and yes. I filed a public records request with Hermosa and Manhattan Beach for citations issued in the last 5 years for the exact city ordinances mentioned. None have been issued.
So if you want to obey the law that the police don't care about and don't cite anyone for.....you would be the only person obeying it.
OK, I admit, I don't dismount. I stay on the bike, but slow waaaaaaaay down and just roll through those sections.

I do occasionally dismount if there is a big group crossing, especially with young kids.

I guess the spirit of the law is so that we won't be doing 25mph when there are people crossing. I get that. And trust me, I wouldn't want to run into anybody.
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I suspect the signs and restrictions are now in place to protect the Cities against civil law suits resulting from crashes.




KingCat, very good of you to have investigated the history of ticketing. I will try not to be the first to get one but that tends to be my luck.
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