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Old 06-13-18, 01:15 AM
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Your most difficult roads/intersections/areas to ride because of vehicular traffic...

the recent post about laguna beach got me thinking about tight spots. some of us ride thru places not exactly designed with the bicycle in mind.
what are some of the spots you find challenging, difficult, downright dangerous or simply crazy to ride in southern california due to automobile
traffic? the ones that immediately come to mind for me?

la-glendale blvd north of echo park to freeway onramp
la-short stretch of pch south of getty villa
la-hollywood bowl/hollywood & highland/griffith park southern access
la-sunset westbound from beverly hills to 405 fwy
la-gaffey st. thru much of san pedro (until it gets really steep by fort mac arthur)
la-pch/sepulveda from the intersection of crenshaw/pch to the 110 freeway
oc-the aforementioned laguna beach pch stretch
oc-imperial hwy (90) for stretches through yorba linda
oc-hwy 74 heading from san juan capistrano to lake elsinore
oc-that little stretch on either side of the 5 fwy at avenida pico
sanberdoo-hwy 18 heading up to lake arrowhead
sanberdoo-hwy 330 heading up to running springs
riv-hwy 79 from aquanga to edge of temecula
sd-prospect rd between la jolla village and the freeway interface
sd-ingraham st from the 8 fwy north thru mission bay passing sea world
sd-harbor drive westbound to the airport
sd-mira mesa blvd eastbound just before the 15 fwy
sd-midway dr. between rosecrans & pacific hwy
sd-palm ave eastbound in imperial beach just before the 5 fwy.

what are yours?
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Old 06-13-18, 09:06 AM
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oc - Intersection of Warner and PCH. PCH pinches itself and the bike lanes (or space for them) basically disappears. They're reduced so you're basically riding shoulder to door with traffic.
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Old 06-13-18, 09:27 AM
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Pico, yes. 330, agreed. I've done 18 a few times, it's narrow but doesn't inspire the same level of fear as 330.

I'd add Damon/Mission Bay/Garnet in SD.

Also in OC PCH between the 55 and Dover is no picnic. It's not super narrow but it's infested with drivers of German-brand SUVs who believe cyclists are no different than bugs on their windshields.

In OC (Lake Forest), eastbound Bake approaching Irvine Blvd/Trabuco, lanes narrow, bike lane and shoulder disappears and vehicle traffic is doing 60 mph. I'll also mention El Toro Road between Muirlands and Paseo de Valencia as an area I consider impossible to navigate by bike, I've never ridden that stretch.

Laguna Hills, northbound Cabot Road ends at La Paz, have to turn right, go under the 5 staying to the left to avoid the freeway-only Lane, then make a left on Muirlands to continue northbound. Very tricky, can be very congested and it's dark under the freeway making it harder for drivers to see riders.
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Old 06-13-18, 11:49 AM
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LA - Whittier Blvd under the 605. The southbound onramp is a right exit so you have cars accelerating onto the cloverleaf and us poor cyclists attempt to find a spot in the middle of the travel lanes. Ugh. Short though.

Kramer southbound over the 91 - TWO lanes of traffic turning on to the 91 W. And then the two lanes of traffic exiting the freeway.

*EVERY* single intersection where the bike lane disappears and a right turn lane appears.
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Old 06-13-18, 12:26 PM
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All of them I can think of involve freeway onramps.
The aforementioned Whittier Blvd 605
Temple over the 57
Just about all freeway onramps especially the ones where you have a dark underpass with an onramp immediately on the other side. .

Another one I really don't like at all and actually changed my normal route to avoid is the Live Oak / Azusa wye. There are two lanes that go right and the route to Santa Fe Dam goes straight. With the long straight away ahead of the wye people drive at freeway speeds and you have to cross the two lanes veering right which get most of the traffic. Live Oak from Peck to the Freeway is also prime "tire wire" flat territory with all the truck traffic to and from the dumps and gravel pits.

I've taken to going up Peck to Myrtle and Duarte Road and taking the long way around to the dam rather than deal with that.
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Old 06-13-18, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
Kramer southbound over the 91 - TWO lanes of traffic turning on to the 91 W. And then the two lanes of traffic exiting the freeway.
Yeah, generally any double freeway ramp is a bit hairy. Fortunately the traffic volume on weekend mornings is such that they are not too bad, but if I am riding during the week I often modify my routes to cross freeways using trails or roads with no on/off ramps.
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Old 06-14-18, 07:19 AM
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Lots of sections of PCH through Orange County:
Southbound PCH through Sunset Beach - use the parallel Pacific Drive through here. northbound actually has a pretty good shoulder
PCH through HB near the HB Pier - Lots of street traffic and curb parking all year round (really tough in the summer)
Previously mentioned Newport Beach through the 'MAriners Mile' area (55 fwy to the bridge over Newport Bay)
Corona Del Mar NB and SB - get through here early in the AM on weekends as the traffic is really tough mid-day.
Laguna Beach - already mentioned . . . yuk!
Dana Point - through the business district. IT was improved a little a few years ago when PCH and Del Prado were realigned.
San Clemente - no really good way through here. Just keep your eyes open and proceed carefully . You're probably not going to ride through here unless you're doing an L.A.-to-San Diego ride (north or south).

And any portion of Beach Blvd in Orange County - just too much traffic and no curb/shoulder area. Some sections also have quite a lot of trash along the shoulder.

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Old 06-14-18, 10:41 AM
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We're pretty lucky out here in Redlands. The only ones off the top of my head are Redlands Blvd., Waterman Ave, Baseline St.

Any road that crosses the Santa Ana River is sketchy, either because of no shoulder, high speed traffic, or both. Alabama St, Orange St., Central Ave
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Old 06-14-18, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
*EVERY* single intersection where the bike lane disappears and a right turn lane appears.
Amen to that! Legally we're supposed to stay in the slow lane of traffic. The right turn lane is supposedly (legally) for right turns only. Then... why do they put the "Bike, push for crossing" button on the poles that are adjacent to the right turn lane?
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Old 06-15-18, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TakingMyTime View Post
Amen to that! Legally we're supposed to stay in the slow lane of traffic. The right turn lane is supposedly (legally) for right turns only. Then... why do they put the "Bike, push for crossing" button on the poles that are adjacent to the right turn lane?
You must live in Orange County! In LA, they expect you to ride up on the sidewalk to get to the pedestrian button. If there even is one. I go through Fullerton a lot and it's such a pleasant treat to be able to activate the pedestrian cycle while still in the road.
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Old 06-15-18, 01:43 PM
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I'm surprised that no one mention PCH/Dover Rd in Newport Beach (the bridge across the upper bay). Many cars would go right into Dover at high speed. My step-dad that lives near that area, he told me that there was lot of car and bike accident in this section.
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Old 06-15-18, 02:48 PM
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^ i think it's mentioned in post #3 . regardless, thanks for the heads up.
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Old 06-17-18, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ooga-booga View Post
^ i think it's mentioned in post #3 . regardless, thanks for the heads up.
Ah, missed that one. Thanks.
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Old 06-17-18, 05:33 PM
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I'm surprised that no one mention PCH/Dover Rd in Newport Beach (the bridge across the upper bay). Many cars would go right into Dover at high speed. My step-dad that lives near that area, he told me that there was lot of car and bike accident in this section.
You must be referring to northbound PCH as it approaches Dover. You go over the nice, wide Bay bridge and the curb lane suddenly disappears and turns into a dedicated right turn lane for vehicles to zoom up Dover. You've really got to watch out when going through that one. And it doesn't get easier once you get through the Dover/PCH intersection; PCH quickly narrows from three to two lanes, then continues with you squeezing between curbed-parked vehicles through the 'Mariners Mile' area up to the north side of the 55/Newport Blvd bridge.
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Yeah, that's one.

Hated that one. I almost got hit while across the bridge - I mean, the truck drove by just inches from me - it was scary. On my next ride, I took sidewalk for my safety. According to my step-father, Newport Beach Police allows cyclist take sidewalk across the bridge, I don't know if it's true.
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Old 06-17-18, 10:11 PM
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Palm Desert Hwy 74 (aka Pines to Palms Hwy) to Mountain Center. A popular road to climb in this area, it can be dangerous because of all the switchbacks and drivers ill equipped to deal with them.
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^didn't post this road because i assumed it was a given...
the lower part of the road has some tight switchbacks, then that wiggly part just part the tightest curve of all below (the first) vista point (usually some sort of homemade memorial cross present),
then it gets easier and more open with better sightlines until approx a mile west of the fire station/old sugarloaf cafe area. road ramps up again and gets curvy again. the descent is a blast.
sounds like a perfect forum ride...

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Old 08-27-18, 05:51 PM
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Alondra Blvd between Walker and Valley View. Its my work route and sketches me out so I ride the sidewalk slowly. I'd take Coyote Creek further North but the homeless on the path north of Artesia are a concern.
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I'm surprised that no one mention PCH/Dover Rd in Newport Beach (the bridge across the upper bay). Many cars would go right into Dover at high speed. My step-dad that lives near that area, he told me that there was lot of car and bike accident in this section.
Going North on PCH at Dover: if you want to avoid all that, just stay in the bike lane and turn right on Dover. Then go a little while till the next light. That will be Castaway Park. You might want to turn right there and take a short rest. There's toilets there. Then hit the traffic button and turn back down on Dover till you reach the next intersection which is Cliff Drive, turn right. That will be a short and steep climb.

The rest of Cliff Drive is very light residential traffic with a dedicated bike lane. Cliff drive will eventually curve to the left going downhill. Stop sign and it becomes Riverside Drive. Follow that but don't take it all the way to PCH. Instead, take Santa Ana Ave to the right and follow that short street. That street goes behind Sterling BMW, the backside of Sterling BMW. Shortly after BMW, there appears to be a dead end.

But turn left into a parking lot and follow that lot till you get to PCH. You'll be near the old Arches Restaurant. Turn right onto PCH and you're practically near Hoag Hospital with a very wide PCH and dedicated bike lane .
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330 to Onyx Summit. It's so tight all the way up, I don't even know if the name of the road changes! Really scary in the drizzle and fog on one of the Ride Around the Bear rides a few years ago.
Mt. Baldy Rd.Slow going and screeching cars, especially the tunnels!
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Old 09-05-18, 11:48 AM
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Ventura Blvd just before Laural Canyon heading East in Studio City.

You better get in the middle of that middle lane because the drivers in the right lane will cut you off.

What's more, the pavement in between these two lanes is seriously rippled. It could take you down if you're not aware.
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For a little while I was doing a loop where I exited the SART at Ball Road and proceeded west. The section that is the worst is between the SART and Disneyland. The morning hour rush with 3 lanes each way and no bike lane made for a very scary ride. There is also a lot of industrial economy going on and there are way too many trucks. Needless to say I don't take that way home anymore.
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