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Old 12-03-20, 01:53 PM
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LA mayor restricting bicycles

I think this is a first. LA Mayor on December 2 statement. includes

”Walking, driving, travel on public transport, bikes, motorcycles and scooters are prohibited, other than for those undertaking essential activities.”

Please be careful.
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Old 12-03-20, 02:03 PM
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I am getting out my pogo-stick from the 70's since this is an essential activity. It's like a comfort animal.
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Old 12-03-20, 02:26 PM
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Given that 'essential activities' include allowable activities, such as exercise, this isn't really a meaningful prohibition.
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Old 12-03-20, 03:35 PM
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There is no way in the world that a cop is going to be stopping anyone for riding a bike no matter where or when. I appreciate it that he's (mayor) trying to keep the city healthy, but getting me off my bike isn't going to happen.
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From the text of the order:

A. Essential Activities Exempt.
1. Passive outdoor activity and recreation, provided that individuals comply with social distancing mandates, including, without limitation, walking, running, cycling; use of scooters, roller skates, skateboards, or other personal mobility devices.
This is similar to, if not the very same verbiage as the Shelter In Place orders we in the Bay Area were put under back in March. Exercise is considered an essential activity, but they don't want you riding your bike to a bar, or the movies, or the strip club, or to a friend's house.
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Old 12-03-20, 05:32 PM
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Sad thing is that people themselves claim to be responsible and cringe at the idea of being force to follow guidelines. But fact is, there are groups of walkers and cyclists her in SoCal who seem to think they are beyond guidelines. Large groups of cyclists are observed quite often riding in large groups of 20 or so without masks. That doesn't help the argument that outdoor exercise is healthy and we should be exemption from enforcement of guidelines.
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Originally Posted by UCantTouchThis View Post
Sad thing is that people themselves claim to be responsible and cringe at the idea of being force to follow guidelines. But fact is, there are groups of walkers and cyclists her in SoCal who seem to think they are beyond guidelines. Large groups of cyclists are observed quite often riding in large groups of 20 or so without masks. That doesn't help the argument that outdoor exercise is healthy and we should be exemption from enforcement of guidelines.
Is there a guideline stating that cycling outdoors requires a mask? genuinely wondering, not trying to be snarky.
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Old 12-03-20, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by plowmanjoe View Post
Is there a guideline stating that cycling outdoors requires a mask? genuinely wondering, not trying to be snarky.
A group of 20 cyclists in a paceline without masks would fall in the large group gatherings. From the CDC site, do vigorous exercise outdoors if possible and keep 6 feet in distance if not wearing a mask.

I hardly doubt 20 cyclists overlapping wheels and riding in a big group are 6 feet apart. Not to mention the air stream created from front to back spreading the germs.

There was also a video passed around on FB and other sites showing how the germ can spread easily in a pack of cyclist.

I did create an image from the cdc site but I have too few posts to post an image or link on this site.


cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/personal-social-activities.html
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Old 12-03-20, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by UCantTouchThis View Post
Sad thing is that people themselves claim to be responsible and cringe at the idea of being force to follow guidelines. But fact is, there are groups of walkers and cyclists her in SoCal who seem to think they are beyond guidelines. Large groups of cyclists are observed quite often riding in large groups of 20 or so without masks. That doesn't help the argument that outdoor exercise is healthy and we should be exemption from enforcement of guidelines.
Hmmmm. I haven't seen a paceline in 8 months. Who is observing bikers in groups of 20 or more....and where?
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Old 12-04-20, 01:58 AM
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Golf was the very last thing the city closed down in the spring and the very first thing they re-opened. Screw Garcetti.
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Originally Posted by Joe Bikerider View Post
I think this is a first. LA Mayor on December 2 statement. includes

”Walking, driving, travel on public transport, bikes, motorcycles and scooters are prohibited, other than for those undertaking essential activities.”

Please be careful.
Sounds like the appropriate summary of that statement is that all non-essential travel is prohibited.
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Old 12-04-20, 04:16 PM
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Cycling is essential for my health and mental well being
I will continue to ride. I'll ride solo and swing very wide away from any other peds or cyclists.
They'll have to build a special prison to keep my from riding my bike.
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Old 12-06-20, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by trailangel View Post
Hmmmm. I haven't seen a paceline in 8 months. Who is observing bikers in groups of 20 or more....and where?
Along PCH in north Orange County on any sunny Saturday or Sunday. Hang out at your favorite point along PCH in this area after 8AM for 1 hour and I'll bet you see at least 2 groups. Not sure where they go after getting through the fairly wide streets of Seal Beach/Huntington Beach as the road gets pretty tight along PCH as you continue south into Newport Beach/Laguna Beach/Dana Point

SART on the weekend. Though not as many as along PCH, you'll see them here, too. Odd that most of them seem to be groups of Asian riders. Also smaller 'TT' groups (4-6 persons) going way too fast through the casual recreational riders .
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Old 12-06-20, 08:32 AM
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You are speculating from past experience.
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This new guideline (mandate) may boost the indoor trainer/stationary bike craze. Maybe that's what the Mayor is doing to help the economy?

This is a Presidential moment.
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Old 12-06-20, 11:29 AM
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Don't get me wrong. My first post was mostly rhetorical. I realize the Mayor's statement was more of a move to try and "legislate" some common-sense to the masses. I would never have expected that his mandate would have extended to outdoor exercise. I couldn't give you any quantitative fact regarding bicycling and the spread of the virus, but I would expect it to be incredibly low.
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Old 12-06-20, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by trailangel View Post
You are speculating from past experience.
No, I don't think so. I have seen many since Covid guidelines started in March.

Today, PCH, I saw at least 3 groups of 10 or more in pacelines. Today, Dec 6th, 2020 is not the past.

And exactly as Skidder says, one was a group of Asian riders. Another group, won't name clubs but they frequents PCH and Santiago Cyn as well, with app 15 riders NO MASKS!!! The third was made up of 4 riders I know as well as a few I didn't. Again, no names. But there are still pacelines on PCH.
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Masks are about as useful as a chain link fence is in stopping mosquitos.

Have there been massive fatal outbreaks in cycling clubs, or do you just want to get your Karen on?
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Originally Posted by TGT1 View Post
Masks are about as useful as a chain link fence is in stopping mosquitos.

Have there been massive fatal outbreaks in cycling clubs, or do you just want to get your Karen on?
If you read my comment above, it had nothing to do with cyclists breaking out or being a Karen. It is about setting a good example for the authorities so that we would not have to worry about banning cyclist and avoiding all the hassle of trying to prove cyclists have not contributed to spreading the virus.

I'm guessing you're one of the above the law types that think you're invincible till you get sick or infect others around you. I have a relative who had your sarcastic careless attitude. He's dead now, virus got him and his son.

Just sad that there are those lacking common sense gambling with our right to free cycling.
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No, I'm old enough to have seen this kind of stupidity before.

A 0,125 micron virus will not be stopped by anything other than a properly fitted industrial or military grade mask.
wearing a paper or cloth one on a bike ride is just virtue signaling.
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Originally Posted by TGT1 View Post
No, I'm old enough to have seen this kind of stupidity before.

A 0,125 micron virus will not be stopped by anything other than a properly fitted industrial or military grade mask.
wearing a paper or cloth one on a bike ride is just virtue signaling.
Let's see, the mayor wants to ban cycling and some riders refuse to wear masks endangering our right to cycle at will. Seems that is where the stupidity comes into play.

Whether the mask prevent the virus from spreading is not even a consideration to the mayor and his lack of proof or knowledge of the virus. It is about cyclists showing they will not follow guidelines that will get us shut down like they did the beach. People refused to follow guidelines so they shut down the beach. Then people had to fight, protest and do whatever to get them to open it again.

In the meantime, people were complaining about the closed beach when in fact, had they followed guidelines, it wouldn't haven't been closed in the first place. Now this kind of attitude is where the stupidity comes into play. If the mayor bans cycling because cyclists will not follow guidelines, then their stupidity will have put a damper on my cycling though I am willing to follow the guidelines.

The mayor and other officials are just looking for stupid reasons to ban at will and stupid people give them the reasons to do so.

Mayor restricting cycling =stupid
People giving the mayor reason to restrict cycling = stupid as well.
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Masks are about as useful as a chain link fence is in stopping mosquitos.

Have there been massive fatal outbreaks in cycling clubs, or do you just want to get your Karen on?
You might want to read up on viruses. The individual virons won't survive on their own out in the open environment, they need to be in something like a water droplet of piece of tissue, a blob of snot, etc. While the virons themselves are small enough to penetrate even finely-woven materials, the droplets and tissues they are transported in will most likely not penetrate a mask. Result is they get captured on the mask.

Regarding groups - I'm more concerned with the possibility of accidents caused by the large groups as they pass me on busy roadways (like PCH) or on MUPs (like the SART). Just my observation, but they seem intent on staying bunched together at all times rather than spread out a little for safety. No thanks, its too dangerous to me to participate in that type of behavior.
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I guess I don't get out much anymore. I don't ride in a group anymore. Large 'racertype' groups are full of spitters.... they think it's ok to spit or blow-out while riding. Just like in MLB, they have not stopped spitting, they just don't show it on camera.
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Originally Posted by UCantTouchThis View Post
Let's see, the mayor wants to ban cycling and some riders refuse to wear masks endangering our right to cycle at will. Seems that is where the stupidity comes into play.

Whether the mask prevent the virus from spreading is not even a consideration to the mayor and his lack of proof or knowledge of the virus. It is about cyclists showing they will not follow guidelines that will get us shut down like they did the beach. People refused to follow guidelines so they shut down the beach. Then people had to fight, protest and do whatever to get them to open it again.

In the meantime, people were complaining about the closed beach when in fact, had they followed guidelines, it wouldn't haven't been closed in the first place. Now this kind of attitude is where the stupidity comes into play. If the mayor bans cycling because cyclists will not follow guidelines, then their stupidity will have put a damper on my cycling though I am willing to follow the guidelines.

The mayor and other officials are just looking for stupid reasons to ban at will and stupid people give them the reasons to do so.

Mayor restricting cycling =stupid
People giving the mayor reason to restrict cycling = stupid as well.
you sound like a beaten child afraid to get your drunk dad mad.
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Originally Posted by plowmanjoe View Post
you sound like a beaten child afraid to get your drunk dad mad.

That's funny! Not everybody had a drunk dad. Funny that you choose this scenario.

I think it is more like a marine who can't keep his locker clean so the whole platoon has to do extra physical activity because of one moron. I don't want to have to run an extra mile or lose my cycling privileges because of a few non conformers and a dopey mayor.

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