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Pine Mountain Summit

Saturday we went to Pine Mountain Summit. Weather was nice with a hint of warmth reminding us how hot it gets out there in the summer. Gentle southerly breezes provided a nice cool ride home.

VB (and others) The Wolff’s Inn looks like it will reopen. They were working inside on Saturday. I peeked in and it is an old bar. There was a sign lying on the bar that read “Wolff’s Inn”. (yes 2 f’s). I am not sure that will be the new name or was just an old sign hanging around. They still look like a few weeks from opening.

There was more motorcycle traffic than I have seen but I have to say they all seemed quite nice. I realize that when you get out in that open country, the throttle just has to be opened. But they did seem considerate of others, we even had some wave to us.

Our ride was 144 miles and 10,400 feet ascending. All in all, a great ride.


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Looks like a great ride Jim...why are all of the good rides such a far drive from me?
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Originally Posted by Brandy
...why are all of the good rides such a far drive from me?

wha..da..??? Aren't Palomar, Breathless Agony, Santiago Canyon, etc. down by you??? I think there are lots of good rides everywhere in California. It is something I really enjoy about our state, we have beaches, mountains, deserts all at our front door.
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Jim,

When are you going to "host" a ride? You know the terrain from SFV to Solvang?, or even further north, like the back of your hand. I'm sure you have a secret Century route, the "best of Thomson routes", that you'd care to guide us through.

Sign me up. I'm sure there would be a lot of others too.
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Originally Posted by AkAk2000
Jim,

When are you going to "host" a ride? You know the terrain from SFV to Solvang?, or even further north, like the back of your hand. I'm sure you have a secret Century route, the "best of Thomson routes", that you'd care to guide us through.

Sign me up. I'm sure there would be a lot of others too.
Hmmmm, interesting,,,,,Ya know Paul, I have actually considered a multi day ride, like San Francisco to Los Angeles. The problem is I don't know if I will have time to do it this year. Maybe a weekend trip to Refugio; ride there Saturday, camp, and ride back Sunday. We will see how the summer goes.
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Originally Posted by thomson
Hmmmm, interesting,,,,,Ya know Paul, I have actually considered a multi day ride, like San Francisco to Los Angeles. The problem is I don't know if I will have time to do it this year. Maybe a weekend trip to Refugio; ride there Saturday, camp, and ride back Sunday. We will see how the summer goes.
Yes, but in the meantime, why don't you plan a ride like the one we did when I first met you? That was a great ride, Jim, and I suspect many folks would come out for it.
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Originally Posted by merider1
Yes, but in the meantime, why don't you plan a ride like the one we did when I first met you? That was a great ride, Jim, and I suspect many folks would come out for it.
Hey, good idea Mary, lots of options there. San Francisquito Canyon is close to the Valley.
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Hey, good idea Mary, lots of options there. San Francisquito Canyon is close to the Valley.
Yes, it is and it's lovely, not to mention Bouquet with the horse.
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Originally Posted by merider1
Yes, it is and it's lovely, not to mention Bouquet with the horse.
Hey M.E. did you see Jim's profile. That climb from mile 40 to Pine Mtn. is the first 3rd of Sea to Summit and the easiest climb of the day. Note I didn't say easy ,I said easiest. Wow Jim that was a hell of a ride.
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Originally Posted by vertical bob
Hey M.E. did you see Jim's profile. That climb from mile 40 to Pine Mtn. is the first 3rd of Sea to Summit and the easiest climb of the day. Note I didn't say easy ,I said easiest. Wow Jim that was a hell of a ride.
OMG...what am I getting myself into! And what did I let you talk me into! Oh, well, I'll just pedal in my granny ALL DAY LONG.
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Originally Posted by merider1
OMG...what am I getting myself into! And what did I let you talk me into! Oh, well, I'll just pedal in my granny ALL DAY LONG.

Oh Gee, Mary, do not be concerned, the charts always look a lot steeper than they are. The climb to Rose Valley is probably 6% and the last 5 miles up to Pine Mountain is about the same. You can do those easily.

From there, you have a nice 5 mile downhill, then there are two more hills, one is what they call Heartbreak Hill and is nothing. Then there is the climb to Mt Pinos, that is the toughest one for the day. (nice to have it at the end, huh?) IIRC, it is 11 miles. The Sea to Summit group has a couple of rest stops along the way so you can take a break.
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Hey Jim, what is the fire damage like out there? Did the fire get as far south as the summit of Pine Mountain? We haven't done the 5 counties since last years Heartbreak Hundred.
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Originally Posted by big john
Hey Jim, what is the fire damage like out there? Did the fire get as far south as the summit of Pine Mountain? We haven't done the 5 counties since last years Heartbreak Hundred.
Between Rose Valley and Pine Mountain Summit there were some spots of fire damage. Not from the big fire, just little fires they get out there over the years. From the north view at the summit (which for those that have not been there, it is exquisite) there was no sign of the fire at all. We would have gone down to Ozena and probably been able to see some fire damage but we had to turn back as I was jonesing for a big meal. I have not been north of Pine Mountain or through the Lockwood Valley since the fire so I really don't know how bad it is in that area.
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Originally Posted by thomson
Between Rose Valley and Pine Mountain Summit there were some spots of fire damage. Not from the big fire, just little fires they get out there over the years. From the north view at the summit (which for those that have not been there, it is exquisite) there was no sign of the fire at all. We would have gone down to Ozena and probably been able to see some fire damage but we had to turn back as I was jonesing for a big meal. I have not been north of Pine Mountain or through the Lockwood Valley since the fire so I really don't know how bad it is in that area.
where is Pine Mountain???
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Originally Posted by thomson
Oh Gee, Mary, do not be concerned, the charts always look a lot steeper than they are. The climb to Rose Valley is probably 6% and the last 5 miles up to Pine Mountain is about the same. You can do those easily.

From there, you have a nice 5 mile downhill, then there are two more hills, one is what they call Heartbreak Hill and is nothing. Then there is the climb to Mt Pinos, that is the toughest one for the day. (nice to have it at the end, huh?) IIRC, it is 11 miles. The Sea to Summit group has a couple of rest stops along the way so you can take a break.
I love your confidence in my abilities, Jim. Now, let's see if I can borrow some of that! By the way, are you coming?? If so, bring tow rope...
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Originally Posted by tprevost
where is Pine Mountain???

30 miles north of Ojai on State Highway 33. It is the summit just before entering the Cayuma Valley. Its elevation is 5261. (I just happened to remember that because I read it on the sign the other day) There is also a Mt Pinos (which I would guess is Pine Mountain in Spanish) but that is a separate mountain altogether, east of there, and over 8,000 feet above sea level. And to further complicate matters, there is an area called Pine Mountain Club over by Mt Pinos.

If you look at the profile I included on the first post, the area between mile 18 and 40 is Highway 150 going east and between 40 and 72 is Highway 33 going north.
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Originally Posted by merider1
I love your confidence in my abilities, Jim. Now, let's see if I can borrow some of that! By the way, are you coming?? If so, bring tow rope...
I have confidence in your abilities because I have ridden with you. It is a fun ride, one of the real delights is when a van full of screaming teenagers passes you rooting and cheering for you. It is good.

And, nope, I won't be doing this so you will have to tow someone else.
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Originally Posted by thomson
I have confidence in your abilities because I have ridden with you. It is a fun ride, one of the real delights is when a van full of screaming teenagers passes you rooting and cheering for you. It is good.

And, nope, I won't be doing this so you will have to tow someone else.
uh-huh...WHY aren't you doing it?? Oh, I know...some other obligation. I'm actually looking forward to it. I'm riding with Bob and he'll get me up it. He'll get his ear chewed off in the process, but he's used to it. I'll buy him lunch after the ride and that'll even everything out.

But on a serious note, this past weekend's ride scared me. I haven't felt that crappy on a ride in a while. I'm sure I'll feel it again, and I was lucky to have a kind riding partner (who didn't get his ear chewed off oddly enough), but those types of rides make me rethink my training.
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Originally Posted by merider1
uh-huh...WHY aren't you doing it?? Oh, I know...some other obligation. I'm actually looking forward to it. I'm riding with Bob and he'll get me up it. He'll get his ear chewed off in the process, but he's used to it. I'll buy him lunch after the ride and that'll even everything out.

But on a serious note, this past weekend's ride scared me. I haven't felt that crappy on a ride in a while. I'm sure I'll feel it again, and I was lucky to have a kind riding partner (who didn't get his ear chewed off oddly enough), but those types of rides make me rethink my training.
Bob is going to ride it 2 or 3 times I hear.

And the year I did it, they had hot chili at the top. That soothed my hunger quite well.

Have you guys handled all the logistics of the one way ride? One way that you may not have considered is find someone that wants to do Summit to Sea. They drive a car with their bike in it to the top of Mt Pinos and then cycle home. You ride to Mt Pinos and your car is waiting for you.

And on this past weekend's ride, I am glad you turned around when you did.
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Originally Posted by thomson
Have you guys handled all the logistics of the one way ride? One way that you may not have considered is find someone that wants to do Summit to Sea. They drive a car with their bike in it to the top of Mt Pinos and then cycle home. You ride to Mt Pinos and your car is waiting for you.

And on this past weekend's ride, I am glad you turned around when you did.
Me, too...but again, I had a very kind and forceful riding partner.

As for the logistics, I don't know how that will be handled. I guess I'd better ask Bob. He said something about it, but I didn't quite understand. Too bad you're not joining though...you're fun on a ride and freaky fast.
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Okay, so Jim...

When is the Tour de Thomson (or Jim's Backroads Ramble)?

You set it up, and your big meal is on me (my credit card, in case ME decides to twist that phrase mischieviously).
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Me, too...but again, I had a very kind and forceful riding partner.

As for the logistics, I don't know how that will be handled. I guess I'd better ask Bob. He said something about it, but I didn't quite understand. Too bad you're not joining though...you're fun on a ride and freaky fast.
You will do great, you are in good hands.


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Okay, so Jim...

When is the Tour de Thomson (or Jim's Backroads Ramble)?

You set it up, and your big meal is on me (my credit card, in case ME decides to twist that phrase mischieviously).
Paul, it will be at least summer before I could entertain such an endeavour.
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Originally Posted by AkAk2000
Okay, so Jim...

When is the Tour de Thomson (or Jim's Backroads Ramble)?

You set it up, and your and m.e.'s big meal is on me (my credit card, in case ME decides to twist that phrase mischieviously).
Yes, I'm evil... And +1 on the setting it up. You gotta grab a date for the ride, Jim, as the dates around here go fast!
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Originally Posted by thomson
Bob is going to ride it 2 or 3 times I hear.

And the year I did it, they had hot chili at the top. That soothed my hunger quite well.

Have you guys handled all the logistics of the one way ride? One way that you may not have considered is find someone that wants to do Summit to Sea. They drive a car with their bike in it to the top of Mt Pinos and then cycle home. You ride to Mt Pinos and your car is waiting for you.

And on this past weekend's ride, I am glad you turned around when you did.
Since my name is being tossed around this thread I guess I ought to get my 2 cents in. First of all Sea to Summit is the hardest ride that I do each year. It's all I can do to finish, but finish I do. Second, Heartbreak is not "nothing " to me. It's a gradual 4%? for several miles followed by at least a mile of double digit to what seems like the top but isn't, thats another mile further. By the last 14 mile climb from Lake of the Woods to Mt Pinos it's just slug it out with the mountain. I want to be truthful about this and it's only my opinion.To prepare for S-S I try to work up to at least 10,000ft. a couple of weeks before. It feels good to know that I have done that in the weeks previous. There are lots of chances to get in that kind of training rides in the next several weeks, I'll be doing one of them Sunday, B.A. Having said that I want to say that S-S, or Sea to Some of it, as is the joke on the ride, is really a grand ride. Rose Valley and Sespe are beautiful. Jim was right about the van full of cheering teen-agers, they are fun and the support ,encouragement, and the after ride stew are great. I would call it more like linner than lunch. Way to late for lunch. Talk about endorphins, man it feels great to have finished that ride. Good sag for those who can't finish, but the 70 something woman from the Conejo Club that does it every year brings up the rear in fine style. I encourage folks to do this but also encourage them to train hard for it. It's a wonderful ride and experience.
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I encourage folks to do this but also encourage them to train hard for it. It's a wonderful ride and experience.
And, yet, you've talked me into this. YOU had better bring a tow rope.


Seriously, Bob, I know what I'm getting into. I think I'd better get on Crystal Lake at least once before I attempt it. Maybe those cheering teenagers will pull me to the top.
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