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Old 03-27-07, 09:55 AM
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I am thinking about trying the Canyon Lakes Trainer this commin weekend.
In the LA Wheelmen site, It mention 4800 feet of ele. gain.
As a new rider, I map every ride so I can mentaly see it while I am riding it.
In my map (and I am doing it for all my SFVBC routes) I add all elevation gain and got to 5,669 ft.
Question : do I do it wrong adding all elevation gain?
I am sure some of you, with expensive cyclometer, can answer this from expirence.
BTW, if it true 5669, It will be a first one for me ... so far 3500 was may max for one ride.
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Old 03-27-07, 01:09 PM
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I'm not sure but I thought that ride was closer to 6000 total. There's more to it than just the numbers, there is significant climbing on Lake Hughes road, 1 big climb and 3 smaller ones, after you think you're going all downhill. It's a great ride, if you do it, you'll love it.
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Old 03-27-07, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by big john
I'm not sure but I thought that ride was closer to 6000 total. There's more to it than just the numbers, there is significant climbing on Lake Hughes road, 1 big climb and 3 smaller ones, after you think you're going all downhill. It's a great ride, if you do it, you'll love it.

I think this is part of the route Francis put us on in December. Lake Hughes is significant! - but beautiful. Just be sure to pace yourself. I blew it out on that climb trying to keep up with the guys (I was not successful) and ended up limping home (figuratively speaking).
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Originally Posted by merider1
I think this is part of the route Francis put us on in December. Lake Hughes is significant! - but beautiful. Just be sure to pace yourself. I blew it out on that climb trying to keep up with the guys (I was not successful) and ended up limping home (figuratively speaking).
Ah yes you do remember Lake Hughes don't you? But remember how good the Adobo was too.
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Old 03-27-07, 04:39 PM
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Ah yes you do remember Lake Hughes don't you? But remember how good the Adobo was too.
Yeah, they're a great group of strong riders and that was the ride on which I met Keith as well. Those boys were so far ahead of me, it was embarrassing! But Francis sent me my own SAG car and driver. I refused to get in it even when I was on mile 95 dying. I was the only woman and I had to represent! Nothing felt better than finishing that ride.
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Old 03-31-07, 06:10 PM
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I did the ride today. I think it was my nicest ride (well, only 3,000 miles on bicycle so far), up hills, down hills, nice weather, nice people, lakes, and overall views.
I am usually ride with SFVBC and we get 20-30 people on rides,
so I was surprised that only few came to this LAwheelMan ride.
merider1, lucky me, the group of people wasn't a strong group and for the most part took it easy.

Few riders had alimeter, but at the end of the ride I didn't met any with one.
If you did this ride and have the total elevation gain can you post it, so I can 'fix' my mapping system.

I didn't believe it, but in some point on lake Hughes Rd, I thought I had enough of the down hill and was looking/waiting to pedal hard again upward. Of course, soon after, when the hills started again, I forgot it all...
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Old 04-11-07, 08:16 AM
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So far, I did trainer-1 (was fun), trainer-2 (may canyon, was enoying and hard for me;
4+ miles of climing is not-so-paved road.. I had to stop for air few times)

I just maped trainer-3 (both the short, 63miles ~5900ft; long, 77miles ~7000ft)
name "LAWM-T3" and "LAWM-T3L" in https://shprung.com/sfvbc/

This one looks like a nice viewes ride but I a bit "scared" from the long streching hills.
I never did Latigo nor Stunt.
Can you reply if you are planning to do this ride? (You see, in trainer-2 I only saw 4 people... that`s it)
For all of you who did it million times, any input?
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A variation of this Latigo Stunt loop is one of my "standard" rides. Latigo is a terrific road.
It's never more than about 8%, has lots of variation, a few shallow descents in mid canyon and
not a lot of traffic. It has two main summits so just save some effort for the second (shorter) climb.
Stunt is only about 4k of climbing and maybe a little harder since it will come nearer the end of the ride. It's still easy compared to alot of other climbs in the Santa Monicas. We're REALLY lucky to have this kind
or riding territory in our own backyard.
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Old 04-25-07, 11:01 PM
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Did anybody did this ride https://shprung.com/sfvbc/G/?ride=LAWM-T5 ("Mount Baldy Village" from Azusa)?
It is the 5th trainer; not very long (58miles) but by my mapping this one is more than 8500 ft of elevation gain
Sound crazy to me; as usual maybe all this mapping is wrong, but your expirence and info is allways welcome.
BTW, I didn't do trainer 4. Did you? How was it?
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The Baldy trainer has about 6000 feet of climbing, but they might have to change the route because of road work on the lower part of Glendora Mountain Road. If they send you back the same way as you go up, this might add a little climbing. Fun ride!
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Shprung, I apologize, as I just stepped back in this thread and you had asked me a question a few posts down to which I haven't replied. I'm not the best source for info on the Wheelman rides except to say that the group who showed up on the one (and only one) I attempted last year was great (Big John and Vertical Bob being two of them). But I quit the trainer I started on Angeles Crest as it was 104 degrees that day and I wasn't fairing well. From what I've consistently heard, all of the trainer rides are solid, quality rides.

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Originally Posted by Shprung
Did anybody did this ride https://shprung.com/sfvbc/G/?ride=LAWM-T5 ("Mount Baldy Village" from Azusa)?
It is the 5th trainer; not very long (58miles) but by my mapping this one is more than 8500 ft of elevation gain
Sound crazy to me; as usual maybe all this mapping is wrong, but your expirence and info is allways welcome.
BTW, I didn't do trainer 4. Did you? How was it?
I think that if you go to the Ski Lift parking lot it will be over 8000ft. That adds over 2000ft of torture. I'm plannin to do that on Saturday, you?
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Bob,

I thought that I read in a recent post that GMR is closed to bikers except on Sunday. Am I mistaken? Does the club have an exemption?

Fill me in.

Thanks.
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Old 04-26-07, 09:20 PM
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V.bob, I like how you say "add torture. I'm plannin to do that".
I am not sure if I like the torture part, but I am going to do the trainer this saturday.
From the PDF/route, it goes as high as the lunch break in mount baldy village (where ever that is?!)

I really want to learn ( read, watch, listed ) all about being capable climing mountens because so far the only thing I do it week after week climing, and it still/always looks like so-many just pass me by going faster than me. (I can start at about 70 cadance and fade to 45 cadance over time)
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Originally Posted by AkAk2000
Bob,

I thought that I read in a recent post that GMR is closed to bikers except on Sunday. Am I mistaken? Does the club have an exemption?

Fill me in.

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Little GMR, the part from the East Fork up to the Ridge road is open and that's open to Baldy. They will have to return the same way as Big GMR down to Glendora is closed to bikes. I met a guy up there Sunday who got turned around trying to decend Big GMR last Saturday. Soon it will all be open, TO CARS.
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Originally Posted by vertical bob
Soon it will all be open, TO CARS.
I feel your pain, Bob...
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https://shprung.com/sfvbc/?ride=LAWM-T8
Who`s coming this Saturday.
I am sure Vertical Bob... with this type of a ride, it perfect for more elevetion gain.
BTW, while mapping the route, I found that in the PDF route sheet in the 68.5 mile it says "R - Fenwich St" but I think it should be "R - Foothill"
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Originally Posted by Shprung
https://shprung.com/sfvbc/?ride=LAWM-T8
Who`s coming this Saturday.
I am sure Vertical Bob... with this type of a ride, it perfect for more elevetion gain.
BTW, while mapping the route, I found that in the PDF route sheet in the 68.5 mile it says "R - Fenwich St" but I think it should be "R - Foothill"
Sorry but I'll be doing Sea 2 summit on Saturday but the 2 Tujnga's ride is great, I've done it many times. Save some legs for Aliso Cyn. The turn on Fenwick is correct. It bypasses a part of Foothill and avoids some traffic. I am planning on the June 9 Wheelman ride. Its the best one of the trainers, San Gabriel Cyn. It goes up A.C. all the way to Islip Saddle where Hwy 39 comes up fron Azusa and takes that down, great ride.
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Originally Posted by vertical bob
Sorry but I'll be doing Sea 2 summit on Saturday but the 2 Tujnga's ride is great, I've done it many times. Save some legs for Aliso Cyn. The turn on Fenwick is correct. It bypasses a part of Foothill and avoids some traffic. I am planning on the June 9 Wheelman ride. Its the best one of the trainers, San Gabriel Cyn. It goes up A.C. all the way to Islip Saddle where Hwy 39 comes up fron Azusa and takes that down, great ride.
Please take Bob's advice on this especially if there are any headwinds out there toward Acton on Saturday.
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hey shprung, how'd the tire boot work out for you on angeles crest? apparently you made it down in one piece...
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the tire boot saved me!
This Continental are ****: I replace the front tire this Monday because it had the same 'problem' like the rear one back at angeles creast. I place the 'live saving' boot under my seat now just in case.
SO this last 3 weeks I spend $75 for 2 tires, then $49 for the rear replacement and $40 for the front replacement; Cycling lately costs me like fuling a car :-)
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Originally Posted by zzzwillzzz
hey shprung, how'd the tire boot work out for you on angeles crest? apparently you made it down in one piece...
Hey Will, sorry to bail on you up there, but the ladies wanted to go back down. Funny, those two usually enjoy kicking my ass all over those mountains, and I'm surprised they didn't jump on the chance to do it some more.
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Originally Posted by Shprung
https://shprung.com/sfvbc/?ride=LAWM-T8
Who`s coming this Saturday.
I'll be on this ride, along with 3-5 others. See you there.
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VanceMac, Mario told me you are/was sick and this is why you didn't come today. Hope you are feeling better, and get well soon.
The ride was hard (for me). Not many people arrived. You can see photos in my site.
I am not sure if it was the heat or the grade of the hills but I felt destoried at the end.
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Originally Posted by Shprung
I am thinking about trying the Canyon Lakes Trainer this commin weekend.
In the LA Wheelmen site, It mention 4800 feet of ele. gain.
As a new rider, I map every ride so I can mentaly see it while I am riding it.
In my map (and I am doing it for all my SFVBC routes) I add all elevation gain and got to 5,669 ft.
Question : do I do it wrong adding all elevation gain?
I am sure some of you, with expensive cyclometer, can answer this from expirence.
BTW, if it true 5669, It will be a first one for me ... so far 3500 was may max for one ride.
Shprung, for a new rider, you've stacked up some good rides in the past couple of months. Good work!

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