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Old 02-01-10, 10:43 AM
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Camp Pendleton is NOT a Public Road

I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but I saw dozens of people riding irresponsibly on Camp Pendleton this weekend.
Sure, we have as much right TO PUBLIC ROADS as cars, and you can take a lane to your heart's content once you've passed the MP guard house, exiting the installation.

Here's the thing: if enough of us take a lane while on Pendleton, despite the signs saying "Bicycles must ride in single file", all it takes is one or two field-grade officers notifying the post commandant, and we cyclists are stuck riding on interstate-5's shoulder.

I really, really enjoy riding through Pendleton and I don't want to lose that privilege. Please-please-please ride single file and if you see anyone 'taking a lane' with cars backed up behind, please let them know how tenuous our privilege is. Thank you.

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Old 02-01-10, 10:59 AM
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Good post. It only takes one to ruin it for everybody.
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Thanks for the heads-up. I've never been to CP, but if I had, I'm sure the realization that's it's a private road would never have crossed my mind.
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It's not a private road either per se; it has the usual signage and we taxpayers are paying for it, BUT we civilian cyclists are lucky we can even ride through there. If anyone tries to drive a car without the DoD sticker through there, the MPs turn them around, which is exactly what they'll do to all of us if enough of us continue to abuse it.
All it takes is the provost marshall (the MP honcho) to recommend that the post would be safer if it were closed to civilian cyclists; we'd instead be free to take-a-lane on the five freeway.

In addition to the lane-takers holding up traffic, I also encountered two Marine drivers on Saturday who remained stopped at intersections when they had the right-of-way, clearly assuming that I was going to run my red light & stop sign--a clear indication that we're not all following the rules through there.
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Why dont they build another road that goes the same direction and doesnt make you go WAY around? Sounds to me like Camp Pend needs to be accommodating to the citizens of California instead.
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Originally Posted by ovoleg
Why dont they build another road that goes the same direction and doesnt make you go WAY around? Sounds to me like Camp Pend needs to be accommodating to the citizens of California instead.
There's an alternative route that's more direct - I5. It's legal to ride on the freeway between Las Pulgas and Harbor Dr.
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Originally Posted by ovoleg
Sounds to me like Camp Pend needs to be accommodating to the citizens of California instead.
(Clearly you've never done your time in the Red Army, comrade.) They are being a lot more accommodating than many military posts. Most installations won't allow civilians (bicycle, car, or pedestrian) on at all.
Democracy ends once you've passed the MP checkpoint. Everyone (including military personnel) who drives on-post must submit to the CG's whim--if the commanding general decides that polka-dotted clown cars on Wednesdays are required to accomplish the USMC's safety goals, guess what?
Also Pendleton goes all the way to the beach, so the only other way 'round would be 395 - Temecula - Elsinore - 74, which would suck even harder than riding on I-5's shoulder.
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In addition to obeying the 'ride single file' signs, sliding through the stop signs and traffic lights is another safety issue -- in addition to a highly visible reason to close the base.

Shall I mention the empty gel packets, inner tubes and other trash that can only be attributed to a few of our fellow cyclists? We are guests on the base. We really need to behave.
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Originally Posted by calamarichris
Also Pendleton goes all the way to the beach, so the only other way 'round would be 395 - Temecula - Elsinore - 74, which would suck even harder than riding on I-5's shoulder.
Exactly. The state of CA should build a better route for cyclist to cross. We shouldnt have to cross a military installation or risk death on a highway to commute.
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I apologize to everyone else if you're trolling and not genuinely ignorant, but Camp Pendleton extends East very nearly to I-15, so your magic shortcut already exists--it's called the Temecula-Ortega Hellway.

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One of these days, I gotta do that route.



Originally Posted by ovoleg
Exactly. The state of CA should build a better route for cyclist to cross. We shouldnt have to cross a military installation or risk death on a highway to commute.
Don't worry, this won't affect you. It's more than 8 miles from your mom's house.
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Originally Posted by DScott
One of these days, I gotta do that route.
Don't worry, this won't affect you. It's more than 8 miles from your mom's house.
I've been through Camp Pen twice on a bike and a dozen times in a car to pick up my friend. Everyone on the base is cool and I dont speed or do anything stupid, that still doesnt mean I think its okay for cyclist to have to cross the base everytime they need to go that direction.

I have not heard of the temecula route, anyone have a map of this? Saafe?
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I rode through there last summer on tour from NY to LA.
I enjoyed it.
Only one rider in the tour had to stop for a tank crossing the road.
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Shall I mention the empty gel packets, inner tubes and other trash that can only be attributed to a few of our fellow cyclists? We are guests on the base. We really need to behave.
There have been a few times I've stopped to gather some of that up. Just ridiculous. After a few recent incidents on base of cyclists being at fault / the antagonizers, I'm surprised we aren't being shot at.

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Exactly. The state of CA should build a better route for cyclist to cross. We shouldnt have to cross a military installation or risk death on a highway to commute.
No problem. I suppose you'll be paying for this yourself? Didn't think so. I don't know where they would put this alternative route, unless a separated bike lane is added to I-5 along that section. People freak out about it but I-5 isn't that bad. Aside from the occasional honk, I've never heard of any incidents involving cyclists along that stretch.

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Originally Posted by calamarichris
I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but I saw dozens of people riding irresponsibly on Camp Pendleton this weekend.
Not me, bro! I never ride irresponsibly on the base because they don't let you ride there without a helmet. By the way, you'll have a chance to break loose on the base if you do the Bulldog race on 2/27. I'm planning to be there if the weather cooperates. Robertkat? Grumpy? Efficiency? Jabantik00? It is only 27 miles - a piece of cake for you guys. You can do it and then go and do your regular mega-mile ride.
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Originally Posted by robertkat
People freak out about it but I-5 isn't that bad. Aside from the occasional honk, I've never heard of any incidents involving cyclists along that stretch.
Not freaking out about the safety factor, (heck, riding a few yards away from 80+mph vehicles being piloted by bored (and therefore sleepy and/or texting) SUV drivers at least sounds like a spectacular enough and painless enough death) but I don't like sucking up all the exhaust fumes and the noise. I made that ride a few times after 9/11, and the Northbound shoulder is pretty miserable.

You sure you want to do the Bulldog, Jimmy? The link you provided said helmets are required.
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Yes Chris,

I always play by the rules when in Pendleton, don't drop trash, ride single file, etc. And really, of all the times I've ridden through there, and all the cyclists I've seen, everyone seems to responsible and doing the right things.

Still, you're right, not everyone plays by the rules like they should. Regarding the 5 freeway, honestly, aside from the danger, it's not that bad. Sometimes the cyclists are actually traveling faster than the motor vehicles (which reduces the danger somewhat).

So on the Camino Real double century, even though Camp Pend. is okay/optional, I always ride the 5 shoulder. Haven't had a problem (yet!).

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You sure you want to do the Bulldog, Jimmy? The link you provided said helmets are required.
So what! I'm an open-minded guy - it's their ride, I'll go by their rules. No big deal. I actually do own a helmet and I'm not afraid to use it if I have to.
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Originally Posted by robertkat
No problem. I suppose you'll be paying for this yourself? Didn't think so. I don't know where they would put this alternative route, unless a separated bike lane is added to I-5 along that section. People freak out about it but I-5 isn't that bad. Aside from the occasional honk, I've never heard of any incidents involving cyclists along that stretch.
Sir, just because there are no accidents doesnt mean it isnt dangerous. It is a highway, where the speed limit is >45mph.
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These darned Reds are getting out of hand... We're just bicyclists looking for pleasant roads, comrade, not the vanguard of your insurgency.

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The title caught my attention.

I have never ridden that stretch, although I used to ride my bike on base back in the 70's when I was stationed there.

Having served with 3/7 at Camp San Mateo, I used the San Onofre gate frequently. I also lived in mainside, closer to Oceanside Is there an available map to see what the route is? I am just curious, as the routes I can think of would go right past a couple of different barracks I lived in or buildings I worked in. Of course, they could have added roads in the last 35 years or so...
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Here's the route, (except Gmaps only recognizes Basilone Rd. as the way through, which isn't the case.)
It's such a beautiful ride. It's coastal desert and gives you an idea (in places) of what Southern California must've looked like before William Mulholland, stoplights, and Starbucks.
Also the drivers on post are very courteous, (giving us a wide berth when passing, etc.) I suspect the CG must have decreed something to effect this. But stars that twinkle in your favor can also rain havoc when provoked.
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^ - it is a privilege to drive on base, not a right. That is why everyone is courteous. Screw up big enough, you aren't allowed to drive on base, nevermind they would throw the book at you in NJP (Non-Judicial Punishment - you are guilty unless you convinece me otherwise, as punishment you don't get paid and restricted to your area of base).

I hated NJPs, I was always a witness.....
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Originally Posted by Little Darwin
The title caught my attention.

I have never ridden that stretch, although I used to ride my bike on base back in the 70's when I was stationed there.

Having served with 3/7 at Camp San Mateo, I used the San Onofre gate frequently. I also lived in mainside, closer to Oceanside Is there an available map to see what the route is? I am just curious, as the routes I can think of would go right past a couple of different barracks I lived in or buildings I worked in. Of course, they could have added roads in the last 35 years or so...
The route is - enter main gate on Vandegrift and go approximately .5 miles, turn left on Stuart Mesa and go approximately 8 miles, turn left on Las Pulgas and go approximately .25 miles, exit Las Pulgas gate.

Here's a map: https://www.acu5.navy.mil/Site%20Documents/map.pdf
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I have not heard of the temecula route, anyone have a map of this? Saafe?
I know a route but there's no map. It's safe in daylight. Very few cars or people.
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