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Old 04-12-11, 11:26 AM
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Northridge Licensing Fee $150 ??!!

From BikingInLA.com:

A “Modest” Proposal: $150 Bicycle License Fee? That’s What Up In Northridge Tonight:

I received the following email this morning from BAC Vice Chair Glenn Bailey, and think it’s important enough that I’m reposting it in it’s entirety.

In 1729, Jonathan Swift wrote his essay: A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Children of Poor People in Ireland From Being a Burden to Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to the Public.


Tonight in Los Angeles 282 years later, the Northridge West Neighborhood Council is considering a “modest” proposal of its own:

13v. Motion: NWNC Requests LA City to Encourage Bicycle Violator Citations and Reinstitute Bicycle Licensing (Bicycle license fees must be at least $150 per year to reflect their shared responsibility for the cost of maintaining the roads and their safe use).

$150 cost per bicycle to maintain roads? Really? How many potholes have bicycles created? None.

Although they are confusing licensing (a person) with registration (a vehicle/bicycle), this is clearly an anti-bicycle proposal. In fact, many motor vehicles on the road today are not charged fees this high!

Help defeat this outrageous proposal by attending and speaking up at tonight’s meeting:

Northridge West Neighborhood Council
Tuesday, April 12, 2011 at 7:00 PM
Beckford Elementary School
19130 Tulsa Street, Northridge, CA 91326

This item is 13v; the full agenda may be viewed at: https://www.northridgewest.org/wp-con...011-Agenda.pdf

If you are unable to attend tonight’s meeting, please consider sending an email IN YOUR OWN WORDS to the NWNC board expressing how you feel about this “modest” proposal: info@northridgewest.org

Thank you for your support of bicycling….and bicyclists…..in Los Angeles.

Glenn Bailey, Vice-Chair
Bicycle Advisory Committee
City of Los Angeles
Of course, this proposal is outrageous, and clearly not intended to regulate cycling, but to force the overwhelming majority of riders off the road.

At $150 dollars, it’s significantly more than I pay to license may car — which actually does cause damage to the road, as well as contributing to traffic congestion and air pollution. And, unlike my bike, poses significant risk to other people if I operate it carelessly.

A careless driver is a danger to everyone around him, while even the most reckless cyclist is primarily a danger to him or her self.

As for that well worn out and blatantly false claim that cyclists don’t pay our share of the road, the fact is that it’s drivers who don’t pay their full share for the roads they use. And all taxpayers — you, me and everyone you see on the road today, in or out of cars — make up the difference.

How about a counter motion requesting a$150 rebate for everyone who agrees to ride a bike instead of contributing to L.A.’s massive gridlock?

Because we’re not the ones slowing down traffic, clogging the streets and damaging the roads. Take every bike in Los Angeles off the roads, and traffic wouldn’t improve at all. But remove just a fraction of the motor vehicles, and traffic improves instantly, as anyone who has ever driven on even a modestly observed legal or religious holiday has already seen.

I won’t be at that meeting tonight.

But I won’t leave the house today until I’ve emailed the Northridge West Neighborhood Council to express my disgust and anger at this outrageously punitive motion.

And I hope you will join me in flooding their inbox with emails demanding fair treatment for cyclists, and recognition that it’s driver, not bike riders, that cause the problems.
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I think it's because cyclists are too stringy to eat.
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Could just be a money grab....
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Yup, sounds pretty anti-cycling to me. I can't see how something like this would ever pass.

Also, how the heck do you pay <$150 for vehicle registration? I think mine was $700 last year and the wifes was $610! In texas I paid $59 a year (and the roads were nicer there).
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Money grab. Cities and special districts are hurting for $ right now due to the lingering effects of the great recession.
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As is pointed out in the comments section, this fee would be illegal. If you read the actual agenda, they are not collecting the fee themselves (because they can't), but they are encouraging the city of LA to collect this fee. However, the state law only allows them to collect as much as it costs to issue the license... a few dollars. to the best of my knowledge, the state allowance of bicycle registration was a theft deterrent and not a type of road use fee.

Of course, it would be in our interest to fight it now, but should it go through, you still wouldn't have to pay it. Other cities have tried this type of stunt before, including issuing tickets to non-residents for riding through the city without a license (also illegal). The fines and fees can not be upheld.

edit: And I do think it's funny he related it to "A Modest Proposal". Too bad this one isn't a joke.
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Originally Posted by jmX
Yup, sounds pretty anti-cycling to me. I can't see how something like this would ever pass.

Also, how the heck do you pay <$150 for vehicle registration? I think mine was $700 last year and the wifes was $610! In texas I paid $59 a year (and the roads were nicer there).
What kinda of car u got? I just paid $103 for the better halves 02 Accord

$150 for a bike registration? I doubt they'd even spend $1 of it to maintain bike paths, lanes or anything to do with bikes.
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Originally Posted by stugi79
I doubt they'd even spend $1 of it to maintain bike paths, lanes or anything to do with bikes.
And yet that same law requires them to spend ALL of it on bicycle related issues.
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Originally Posted by stugi79
What kinda of car u got? I just paid $103 for the better halves 02 Accord

$150 for a bike registration? I doubt they'd even spend $1 of it to maintain bike paths, lanes or anything to do with bikes.
That's why we drive two OLD cars in this family. A 1997 and a 1998. Registration is around $100 for each of them, and get this, insurance with a $500 deductible and everything else maxed out is $654 a year for BOTH cars! Bought them new and they have around 80K miles each. We drive the two miles to my kid's school and everything I do is on a plane so a quick drive to John Wayne Airport is all I ever do.

Listen to Clark Howard, the financial advisor. Buy new cars and DRIVE THEM INTO THE GROUND. We haven't had car payments in over a decade and I can't imagine how much money we saved by keeping these cars.

Of course our neighbors have two Range Rovers. And are 4 years back on property taxes, in default on their house and have countless abstract judgements on their house from people they flat out didn't pay.

Welcome to Orange County!
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It would be good for local cyclists to show up and nip this in the bud. But it really can't go anywhere. The state vehicle code explicitly states that bicycle registration fees can 1) only apply to residents of that particular community (making it difficult to enforce), 2) all proceeds must go towards bicycle projects, and 3) any annual fee shall not exceed $4 per bicycle.
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Hahaha, seems reasonable. Today I just paid $31.00 for a drivers license renewal.
It was great! I haven't been inside the DMV for either 6 or 8 years, and the line went out the door and almost halfway around the building!
There were only two people in the Appointment Line, and while I was being helped, a very irate guy grabbed me by the shoulder and said, "What's up man! Are you the one who just cut in line?!?!"
"Errm... I made an appointment more than a month ago."

Can't blame the guy. I'd've been furious too.
After paying, eye-testing, smiling for the pic, and strolling out of the DMV 10 minutes later, the same people (including Irate Guy) were in exactly the same places in line. Feeling the burning stares of so many hate-filled eyes felt like standing in an outdoor microwave oven.
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This might have gotten me worked up if I ever thought I would visit Northridge...
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This is illegal. I'll have to look it up again, but the bike registration fees are fixed by the state at, I believe now, 3.00 (yes, three dollars) and local governments are not allowed to raise them. They may require bicycles to get registered, but only the legal state fee would apply. Also, if they do require registration, it only applies to citizens of that municipality, so if I, a citizen of Long Beach, were to ride in Northridge, I would not be required to have a bicycle registration. Unfortunatelly, I am required to register in Long Beach, a requirement that's being fought even as I type, so it would be a moot point, but you get my drift.
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Originally Posted by calamarichris
Can't blame the guy.
I can. It's no secret that you can make an appointment.


Originally Posted by rooftest
This might have gotten me worked up if I ever thought I would visit Northridge...
They're trying to encourage the city of Los Angeles to charge this fee. Northridge isn't a real city. Most of the valley is actually part of the city of Los Angeles, despite many efforts to secede in the past.



Originally Posted by Hippiebrian
Unfortunatelly, I am required to register in Long Beach, a requirement that's being fought even as I type, so it would be a moot point, but you get my drift.
According to posts in this forum, Long Beach was a city trying to write tickets to non-residents for not being registered.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight

They're trying to encourage the city of Los Angeles to charge this fee. Northridge isn't a real city. Most of the valley is actually part of the city of Los Angeles, despite many efforts to secede in the past.
Ah - I didn't read carefully enough. That won't happen in a million years. I'd be willing to bet that 80% of "cyclists" in LA are guys riding their $25 bikes to work. I'm sure the LAPD has nothing better to do than shake down every single bike rider they see, too.

Someone needs to remind the Northridge folks that vehicle license fees don't even pay for roads. They probably believe all the lotto money goes to schools, too...
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The town meeting was last night. Apparently the bike license item was put on the agenda by mistake, not having been properly introduced. A number of bicyclists spoke against it anyway - mainly pointing out that it would violate the state CVC and would be counter-productive. It may or may not appear on a future agenda.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
I can. It's no secret that you can make an appointment.
I meant I can't blame the guy for being furious when I looked like a line-jumper. There were at least 120 people in that line, and maybe more than 150. And when I was in&out of the DMV in 10 minutes, those exact same people were still standing there in the same places.
I'm just glad we can do most of our DMV business online anymore--can't imagine how terrible the lines would be if it weren't for that.
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Not sure if you can do Drvers linsence renewals, but I've done my DMV business at the AAA office and love it!!
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Originally Posted by stugi79
What kinda of car u got? I just paid $103 for the better halves 02 Accord

$150 for a bike registration? I doubt they'd even spend $1 of it to maintain bike paths, lanes or anything to do with bikes.
Registration is a percentage of the car's value, I think.

My wife's 99 Altima was 60 or 70 bucks, my 01 Lumina is 90-something. Pay attention to car tax debates as this is part of the registration.
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Vehicle fees are crazy expensive unless your car is getting older. Both my car and my wifes car are 2-3 years old, so we're still near the top of the fee schedule. You get the best rate after your car is 11 years old. I think it works out to 1% or so of the vehicles value, plus some other fixed rate fees.

I drive a 2008 chevy (~$50k when new), my wife has a 2009 lexus (the cheapest lexus made, $30 something). $1000 something a year for 2 vehicle registration per year is pretty brutal, so seeing a $150 bike fee wouldn't shock me at all anymore.

I hate CA sometimes. Tomorrow however, it's supposed to be high 70s and sunny, and I'll love it once again.
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I wouldn't mind at all if they make the right lane restricted to ONLY BICYCLES. Thats right, I'm paying $150 you better believe I get a whole lane to myself.
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I wouldn't mind at all if they make the right lane restricted to ONLY BICYCLES. Thats right, I'm paying $150 you better believe I get a whole lane to myself.
Yeah, for $150 they should make a license plate that is 10' wide.
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I agree with ovoleg. If there were actual plans to improve the quality of riding for cyclists
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One thing that really bothers me about the bicycling infrastructure is that bike lanes generally appear and disappear without any connections. I'd love to ride my bike with the baby in the trailer from home to Lake Balboa Park, but I'd have to be on the sidewalk from Parthenia to Sherman Way.
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I had this discussion with my wife the other day. I would never ever ride with the baby trailer on the street. Just too dangerous. If ever issued a ticket for riding on the sidewalk I'd pay it with the satisfaction that I didn't put the lil one in danger.

Urbanknight, when I was stationed at the Encino Navy and Reserve Center, Balboa Lake park was my favorite running destination. I'd run from Victory Balboa to the path along 405, back around to burbank to white oak and back. Great running trails, or for a quick run around the golf course.
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