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Old 08-22-11, 06:23 PM
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Will someone explain how "business districts" and sidewalk riding relate?

I live in a California city that forbids bicycle riding on sidewalks in business districts. Our city code says it's prohibited in reference to Section 235 of the California Vehicle Code. However, that section has to be one of the most terribly-written sections in law. Here: https://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc235.htm

This is what I'm wondering. Say I'm riding on a sidewalk adjacent to a large strip mall. Let's say the strip mall borders the sidewalk for 1000 feet. 600 feet of it is occupied by buildings in use for business. However, the remaining 400 feet is just parking lot with no buildings. Does that mean I can't ride on the sidewalk for the entire 1000 feet since it is "contiguous property?" Or I am just not allowed to ride alongside the 600 feet because it is occupied by buildings?
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Over 50% of the 1,000' is buildings so the entire thing would be business district.
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why are you riding on the sidewalk in the first place?
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There are some areas, like where I work (ner UCI Medical Center), where sidewalk is preferred and encouraged by law enforcement. It is simply too dangerous to occupy the road with cars so police ask that cyclists (mostly commuters) use the sidewalks. Whether its legal or not.... I know the cops turn a blind eye.

In Irvine, a number of bike lanes have been elimnated in order to add a 3 lanes to roadways. In those cases, the city asks that cyclists use the sidewalks (which are wide, like bike lanes).

Not certain there is an overall law that says no sidewalk riding. I believe it has to do with the availability of bike lanes or adjacent bike paths.
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Originally Posted by Pamestique
In Irvine, a number of bike lanes have been elimnated in order to add a 3 lanes to roadways.
What streets have they done that to?
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Originally Posted by Pamestique
There are some areas, like where I work (ner UCI Medical Center), where sidewalk is preferred and encouraged by law enforcement. It is simply too dangerous to occupy the road with cars so police ask that cyclists (mostly commuters) use the sidewalks. Whether its legal or not.... I know the cops turn a blind eye. .
That's cool but the OP is talking about a sidewalk at a strip mall and a parking lot.
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Old 08-23-11, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Rumpled
What streets have they done that to?
Culver after Walnut. But the 4th lane they added is practicaly a bike lane.
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Originally Posted by Rumpled
What streets have they done that to?

Campus between MacArthur and Jamboree also has a really wide sidewalk with bike signs on it. That's my whole commute to work
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If the sidewalk is double width (8-10'), it is probably a MUP. There are a number of these "bike/walks" in Irvine. If it is about 4' wide, it's a side walk.

One is the Harvard Trail which goes up Harvard Ave. from Bill Barber Park on Barranca to the Walnut Trail.

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Campus between MacArthur and Jamboree also has a really wide sidewalk with bike signs on it. That's my whole commute to work
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Originally Posted by toolbear
If the sidewalk is double width (8-10'), it is probably a MUP. There are a number of these "bike/walks" in Irvine. If it is about 4' wide, it's a side walk.

One is the Harvard Trail which goes up Harvard Ave. from Bill Barber Park on Barranca to the Walnut Trail.

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I'm familiar with the Harvard trail, the one on Campus is nothing like it. It's a sidewalk with signs stating bikes are allowed on the sidewalk, it also only goes for 1/2 mile or so, then after Jamboree the bike lane is separate from the sidewalk.
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No sidewalks! Is any half-intelligent person going to force children who are five or six years old to ride in traffic lanes? This is one of those common sense laws. If there are people walking on a sidewalk, they have priority. Don't be stupid and go weaving in-and-out amongst pedestrians drawing attention to yourself. Ride in a safe manner and nobody is going to bother you.
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Originally Posted by Rumpled
What streets have they done that to?
Culver for certain; Jeffrey in places. Most of the main thoroughfares...
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Originally Posted by Pamestique
Culver for certain; Jeffrey in places. Most of the main thoroughfares...
Wow, I'll have to pay attention when driving around. Going from bike lanes everywhere to cutting them out?
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This was a whole new subject to me . . . until today. I decided to ride my bike to work using the Metro Green Line. To get from where I live to the Norwalk Metro station I was (mostly) on Imperial Highway, i.e. no bike lanes and no room for bikes, really.

So . . . I took to the sidewalks! Only went by 2 pedestrians the whole way (3.5 mi.) and rang my bell to alert them before I passed, so no problems. There were a few tricky places going between mail-box and a lamp post, or a sign post and the edge of the curb . . . but overall not bad.

Folded up my bike (DaHon), rode train, got off, un-folded bike and rode some sidewalks, some streets, to here at work. No issues from police or anyone really.

May be different on the way home; will advise!

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EDIT: No different on the way home except had to be more careful / ride more slowly due to more pedestrians on the sidewalks in the afternoon.

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