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Old 11-03-11, 04:26 PM
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Another rider down on Santiago Canyon Rd.

https://www.ocregister.com/news/lexus...oad-woman.html

Anyone know where the heck Lomas Peak Road is? I'm not finding it on Google maps at all.
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Old 11-03-11, 04:41 PM
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I couldnt find it either.
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Old 11-03-11, 04:42 PM
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Is this it? https://maps.google.com/maps?q=92604&...92604&t=h&z=16

Only one I could find....
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Old 11-03-11, 05:15 PM
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Man those pics are brutal. The windshield is toast, the lady must be in very bad shape.

Santiago Canyon road has such an amazing bike lane too. What the hell was going on here?
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Old 11-03-11, 05:24 PM
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I think they mean another street. Loma Ridge Jeep Trail. When doing the Santiago Canyon Road, I go from Jamboree Road to Santiago Canyon Road by turning right. Then the steep climb and the road splits to the toll road and Santiago. Just before that split is the Loma Ridge Jeep Trail.

If she was going south, it meant she was climbing. Perhaps the car was trying to get onto the toll road on the right and she was trying to go left onto Santiago.

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Old 11-03-11, 06:24 PM
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I used to do that ride three times a week. I got spooked from a really close call by a Toyota truck that TRIED to buzz me in the bike lane. Shortly after that I had my accident on PCH and I haven't been back up to Santiago since.

Latest is that she abruptly turned left in front of traffic.

Garfield - I know exactly what you are talking about. It's easy to forget (if you ride that road a lot) that cars sometimes are trying to get on the toll road and you need to move over to the left to continue up Santiago. Even I have started left with just a small headcheck when I remember to look completely behind me.

It will be interesting to see what happened here. 50mph impact? Wow. I sure hope she will be ok. I hate to see this.
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Old 11-03-11, 06:50 PM
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It's pretty difficult to take a 90 degree turn on a bike unless you are either stopped or going very slow. I'd love to see the forensics on this one. The should be able to look at the bike and tell where it was stuck. It looks like the passenger-side of the car, so if she did take a 90 degree turn, the front wheel of the bike would be waffled. If she coasted over or the car crossed into the bike lane, it would be the rear wheel of the bike.

Interesting that both of her shoes came off... one in the street - one still attached to the speedplay pedal. The only picture of the bike shows it broken completely in half, but both the wheels look mostly true.
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Old 11-03-11, 07:04 PM
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Wow...and I was about to ride there this afternoon =O
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Old 11-03-11, 07:16 PM
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Any one have stats on how the numbers compare in OC to other areas including overall population as a consideration?
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Old 11-03-11, 07:26 PM
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There are some stats here: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post13381839
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Old 11-03-11, 09:42 PM
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From the Facebook comments at the end of the article it appears that she was a professional cyclist, she was one of two riders hit, and that she did not make it. Again, this is just unverified Facebook comments.
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Old 11-04-11, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Accordion View Post
From the Facebook comments at the end of the article it appears that she was a professional cyclist, she was one of two riders hit, and that she did not make it. Again, this is just unverified Facebook comments.
That is a bummer, if true. Very very sad.

For some reason, it seems so many collisions recently.

Be careful out there guys.

Edit: I understand Ms. Norton is still fighting for her life. I wish her and her family all the best. I pray and hope she makes it.

Edit: Sorry to learn Ms. Norton did not make it. I pray that her husband, family and friends find the courage and fortitude to bear her loss.

Just sad, all these accidents that are happening.

Be careful out there, all.

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Old 11-04-11, 05:50 AM
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She did pass away. Here is the accident site (link taken from comments section):

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Santia...144.54,,0,5.41.

This is NOT the 241 intersection. This is right after you turn from Jamboree onto Santiago and climb a small amount. The lone building is the key - it's off to the right as you climb and I always use that building as a checkpoint for my progress.

What I imagine is that a lot of riders will do the canyon and then turn around, crossing four lanes of traffic, and then ride back to their car. She could have simply not seen the car coming and turned into its path. Or maybe the car was carrying excessive speed over the hill and couldn't stop in time.

Very sad.
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Old 11-04-11, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by haaseg View Post
What I meant was how this number, 60? killed, in OC compares to similar areas around the country. It seems high to me, though I have no numbers to compare.
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Old 11-04-11, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by robabeatle View Post
What I meant was how this number, 60? killed, in OC compares to similar areas around the country. It seems high to me, though I have no numbers to compare.
It's not quantitative, obviously, but look around when you drive. Almost every intersection I stop at in Irvine I'll see at least one cyclist at one of the four corners. On Saturday or Sunday there will always be several.

If you look at the sheer number of cyclists in Orange County, the fact that we ride 365 days a year (20 annual deaths in Minneapolis would be over, what, five months of riding?) and the fact that some of those deaths are solo accidents (excessive speed in corners, etc.) it might not be that out of line.

Of course one death is too many and makes you think hard about this sport. Hell, I was hit two months ago.
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Originally Posted by Accordion View Post
makes you think hard about this sport.
Not really... the number of deaths from cardiac arrest, Type 2 diabetes, and other diseases of poor health is likely much MUCH higher in Southern California - and compared to the rest of the country we're much MUCH more fit. I honestly think the risk of death if I don't ride regularly is greater than when I do. Also, the risk of death of those around me is much higher if I don't get my exercise. I get pretty irritable.
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Old 11-04-11, 11:20 AM
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This is so sad, my thoughts are with Her Friends and Family.
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Old 11-04-11, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by haaseg View Post
Not really... the number of deaths from cardiac arrest, Type 2 diabetes, and other diseases of poor health is likely much MUCH higher in Southern California - and compared to the rest of the country we're much MUCH more fit. I honestly think the risk of death if I don't ride regularly is greater than when I do. Also, the risk of death of those around me is much higher if I don't get my exercise. I get pretty irritable.
I understand what you're saying but never liked that argument. You can get healthy by DRIVING to the gym and doing an hour of cardio, lifting weights and eating right. I have 1000 friends who go to the gym every day and so far none of them have died in a car accident going to the gym. I know three cyclists who were killed (two up in NorCal and one down here). Nearly every other cyclist I know has been hit or injured on his bike (myself included - sideswiped at 20mph in August).

Risk/reward is a personal thing. There are a lot of other activities you can do that won't get you killed and will get you into shape.

It's like that horrible saying "at least he died doing something he loved"....I REALLY hate that saying....I'd be willing to bet if you brought back ANY of those 30 year olds and told them hey, you can't be a cyclist because the future shows you die at 30 and didn't get to get married, have children, travel the world, have grandchildren but were doing something you loved OR you could just not have that sport and live what do you think they would choose.....I'd rather die 45 years later doing something I hate...
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Originally Posted by haaseg View Post
Not really... the number of deaths from cardiac arrest, Type 2 diabetes, and other diseases of poor health is likely much MUCH higher in Southern California - and compared to the rest of the country we're much MUCH more fit. I honestly think the risk of death if I don't ride regularly is greater than when I do. Also, the risk of death of those around me is much higher if I don't get my exercise. I get pretty irritable.
+1, especially the last two sentences.
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Old 11-04-11, 11:52 AM
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I'd rather die 45 years later doing something I hate...
This is where we differ in opinion. You have your right to your opinion, but to me doing something I hate for 45 years would be worse than death.
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Old 11-04-11, 11:52 AM
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Wow, read it this morning she was in critical. Sad that she passed away.
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Old 11-04-11, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by haaseg View Post
This is where we differ in opinion. You have your right to your opinion, but to me doing something I hate for 45 years would be worse than death.
That's not what I meant. I meant live a long fulfilled life but die driving to work in the rain at 5am.

At any rate, I'm not preaching. I did 8000 miles last year and had I not been down for two months this year due to my accident would have done 8000 more this year. I love cycling but I know it's risky. Very risky.
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Wow, read it this morning she was in critical. Sad that she passed away.
You may be correct. Sorry that I passed on bad information. The gentleman that posted last night that she passed away deleted his post and posted something different this morning.
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Old 11-04-11, 12:25 PM
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This is where we differ in opinion. You have your right to your opinion, but to me doing something I hate for 45 years would be worse than death.
That is not what his sentence said.

It was "die doing what you love now, or, get an extra 45years but then die doing what you hate".
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Old 11-04-11, 03:15 PM
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You really don't live for 45 years doing something you hate. That's just an exaggeration to push a point across. One might say a rider chooses to do more mountain biking to lessen the chances of a road accident.

I have found out that what someone says and what someone means can be different.
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