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Old 01-02-12, 09:47 PM
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Another accident on Shady Canyon

At Shady Canyon near SunnyHill where the MUP crosses the street (at the entrance gate).

This afternoon I saw an ambulance and a guy in a stretcher, water bottle about 30 ft from where he was down. I am guessing that he went across the street without carefully looking and a car hit him. He was alive.

I know that I have gone across this street too fast at times and without looking carefully enough.

be careful out there.
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I unintentionally find myself passing through wealthy neighborhoods more and more frequently as I search for new routes and climbs in Orange County and I find the wealthier the neighborhood, the less likely cars are going to stop at stop signs.. seriously. I keep it in mind everyday.
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Originally Posted by bbbfalcs
I find the wealthier the neighborhood, the less likely cars are going to stop at stop signs.. seriously. I keep it in mind everyday.
...Yet still the percentage of cyclists running stop signs eclipses the percentage of motorists running stop signs by such a vast margin.
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Yeah, there is a stop sign for cyclists here. I would bet money that the cyclist didn't come to a complete stop.
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You are absolutely correct. The cyclist did not stop.

There is no stop sign for the cars, but there is one for the bike path. It is an 'easement' that allows the cyclists and pedestrians to cross the private street to access the trail from that route.


Originally Posted by robabeatle
Yeah, there is a stop sign for cyclists here. I would bet money that the cyclist didn't come to a complete stop.
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Well, there's no stop sign - but there is a huge gate right there for both sides of traffic. Assuming it's closed as it usually is, then a car wouldn't be traveling fast enough to throw a water bottle 30 feet. Also, there is horse/bicycle pedestrian crossing sign inside the gate warning drivers that this IS a crosswalk. On the other side, there is a "trail crossing" sign. So it's well marked.

I'm not trying to excuse the rider for failing to stop. It was definitely a mistake. But there is absolutely no reason what-so-ever for a any car to be moving more than 10mph in this area. I've been through that section enough times to know that even if you do stop, you still risk getting hit by a car you didn't see or a car moving way too fast for that area.
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Actually this accident occurred WITHIN the gates of Shady Canyon on the Bommer Canyon side entrance. There are stop signs on BOTH sides of the street for cyclists and pedestrians to yield to. There is NO Crosswalk within the gate. It would be close to impossible for a driver to go more than 10mph in that short distance. I saw the car, the cyclist hit the car on the driver side.

Luckily the cyclist is fine. Saw him taking photos at the stop sign and from the angle which he did not stop (his arms up and walking around) this past Tuesday.
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Thanks OC Mom for posting. Bottom line, we cyclists are given an easement to go through Shady Canyon and are required to obey all traffic signs. Doesn't matter how fast or slow a car is going; they have the right of way as any bicycle is coming off the bike trail and crossing a street. It's our obligation to watch for any ongoing traffic. If we fail to see a car, it's our fault.

I love riding through Shady Canyon; it's a regular route for me... but everytime I go through there I realize and acknowledge and give thanks for the privilege of being able to ride through. I would hate for one cyclist's habits or attitude to cause us all to lose access. Wealthy people are people just like you and me... I have never felt like any of the drivers going through Shady Canyon acted any other way. Personally I have never seen a speeding car go through there... especially right after the guard gates.

That said; it appears the rider is recovered. That's a good thing.
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Originally Posted by bbbfalcs
I unintentionally find myself passing through wealthy neighborhoods more and more frequently as I search for new routes and climbs in Orange County and I find the wealthier the neighborhood, the less likely cars are going to stop at stop signs.. seriously. I keep it in mind everyday.
I live in a poor part of Tustin... trust me, cars don't stop there either!!!!
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The accident 5 mos happened outside the gates...

This accident happened inside Shady Canyon I believe just where one has to stop first for the guard gate and then proceed forward. It's very possible the driver was going more than 10 mph but that still does not take any negligence away from the rider who had a stop sign. Bottom line the rider was at fault. And taking the legal part away from this, there is just the whole common sense of crossing a street, at that location and not checking for oncoming cars.

I wonder when you are around all those parts of OC. I live in Tustin, off Redhill. I would bet fully 2/3 of the traffic coming down Redhill is exceeding the speed limit by quite a bit as they do on Irvine Blvd, Bryan, Jamboree, , Irvine Center Drive, TRR and Portola. The only good thing about Portola is that it has wide bike lanes.

I have riden with several large cycling clubs and of course there are accidents. I can say that most are rider, not driver's fault. I'm not placing blame either but it bothers me when the cycling community thinks accidents are everyone else's fault. Bottom line we are responsible for what we do on the road... if cyclists ride aware, there would be no accidents.

But I wasn't there so I reserve my judgement. I assume claims will be made and the matter will be decided by an insurance company or a jury. All we should be doing is making sure everyone rides aware and watching out for traffic. Even if the rider has the right of way, theya re still smaller than cars so the car wins everytime!
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Originally Posted by cautiousnirvine
I hope the guy has a case against this driver and I hope he wins it. I don't believe for a second she was going 10 mph out that gate. I live in a gated neighborhood and I drive 10mph out my gate, but I don't see most people doing that. .


Well that's it, case closed, cyclist wins.
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Originally Posted by cautiousnirvine
Are you being facetious Mr. Beanz? Come on...go a little easy on me.
He he he! I just don't think you can base your conclusion on what you have seen of most other drivers. I see 90% of drivers avoiding the blinkers where as I always use my blinkers. Just see it as protection for my own.

If I were to be in an accident, I'd hate the outcome to be "Beanz didn't use his blinkers cause I know nobody else does"...... cause I do.
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This accident, if you know the location, absolutely could have been avoided by the cyclist. Even if the driver was coming too fast into the hood through the gate. I say this knowing full well that I still roll through this stop sign several times every week. : (
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Originally Posted by cautiousnirvine
I think the poor man in shady canyon who was driving safely to the side of the road when he was struck from behind and killed by an inattentive woman in an SUV, and the man in San Diego who was also struck from behind by an elderly woman on the cell phone would disagree!
I know there has been alot of speculation about these accidents but I've personally not seen any written final notice of investigation... have you? Where did you get your facts from?

I don't know and have not commented on the San Diego case.
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Oh surprise surprise...why am I not surprised. I have better luck riding and running away from there.
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