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Old 01-28-13, 12:53 PM
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Chain advice..

Buying my first chain and was looking at the Sram pc109r 10.....anyone use this chain or have a better suggestion?thanks
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Old 01-28-13, 12:59 PM
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KMC have lasted longer for me then SRAM does. I use there cheap 10sp on both my roadies and MTBs
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I've had the 1090 and the 1030 and didn't notice any appreciable difference, but my most recent chain (KMC X10SL) has been at least as good and is noticeably quieter. It might even shift a little better but I wouldn't swear by it.
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Probikekit.com (in the UK) has good prices on Shimano chains. The latest 10 speed 105 chains are under $25 shipped.
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Another vote here for KMC. I switched to KMC on my primary road bike last fall to get the benefit of their Missing Link when I took my bike to Hawaii. I love that chain and I have switched to KMC on all my bikes. Cleaning the chain is so much easier. I pop the Missing Link and drop the whole chain into an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner filled with park chain brite. A few minutes later, I pull out a clean chain. Easiest, least messy way to clean a chain.
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Originally Posted by cdp8
I switched to KMC on my primary road bike last fall to get the benefit of their Missing Link
Switched from what, SRAM?
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Old 01-28-13, 04:52 PM
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Missing links are supposed to be single use... that's why they sell them in six packs. Right?

Wipperman makes a reusable removable link that you can use with any 10 speed chain (but they're $10 instead of a buck fifty each for those KMC jobs)

I'd probably have gotten a 105 chain if there were one available for $25 when i was shopping last.
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
Missing links are supposed to be single use... that's why they sell them in six packs. Right?

Wipperman makes a reusable removable link that you can use with any 10 speed chain (but they're $10 instead of a buck fifty each for those KMC jobs)

I'd probably have gotten a 105 chain if there were one available for $25 when i was shopping last.
The packaging and the website say they are re-usable. I have re-used the link on my first KMC at about six times with no issues so far. I recommend using the Park tool to un-snap the link. Assembly is super easy, just stomp on the pedal.

https://www.kmcchain.us/kmclandinga.asp?bsid=34&ssid=572
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OK, the link that came with my chain said single use and I just made a bad assumption. At least I thought it did. Hm.
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Going on experience and advice of several mechanics, Shimano Ultegra seem to be the best. I'm not too fond of SRAM, but I get the idea of the power link. Most people don't want to bother with a tool and pin. Wipperman chains are poop, which is disappointing. Still, I never could understand why people would want a removable link. There's really no reason to take the chain off the bike until it's ready to replace.
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Originally Posted by robertkat
Still, I never could understand why people would want a removable link. There's really no reason to take the chain off the bike until it's ready to replace.
1) I travel with my bike; the chain comes off when I pack it. Who wants a loose grease-snake bouncing around their bike case?

2) It is much easier and less messy to clean it in a jewelry or parts washer than it is while it is on the bike. I happily threw out the park chain cleaner that clamped onto the chain after I got the ultrasonic jewelry cleaner.

3) Easier to replace when worn. No stiff link issues from pushing in the rivet.

The only thing I can't understand is why it took me so long to switch.
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Originally Posted by cdp8
1) I travel with my bike; the chain comes off when I pack it. Who wants a loose grease-snake bouncing around their bike case?

2) It is much easier and less messy to clean it in a jewelry or parts washer than it is while it is on the bike. I happily threw out the park chain cleaner that clamped onto the chain after I got the ultrasonic jewelry cleaner.

3) Easier to replace when worn. No stiff link issues from pushing in the rivet.

The only thing I can't understand is why it took me so long to switch.
Plus, a removable link will get you out of a pinch if you happen to break a chain
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Plus, a removable link will get you out of a pinch if you happen to break a chain
Don't you need a chain tool to remove the broken link if that happens?
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Originally Posted by Dunbar
Don't you need a chain tool to remove the broken link if that happens?
Yes. My 65 gram multitool has a breaker on it.

As for "missing links", all the ones I've bought have been reusable. I use them on Dura-Ace chains, no need to buy KMC chains to be able to use a missing link. I avoided Ultegra chains due to the 2009 fiasco they had with them, but it's been long enough that all the bad ultegra chains have probably been used up by now. German Tour Mag did a test, the DA 7900 chain came out on (or near the) top from what I recall.
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Nashbar chains are KMC, and MUCH cheaper when on sale........ I buy Tandem chains, and cut 'em in half, which makes 'em even cheaper.
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
OK, the link that came with my chain said single use and I just made a bad assumption. At least I thought it did. Hm.
The SRAM 10-speed "Powerlock" link is supposed to be single-use (i.e. you use the Powerlock to assemble the chain, but push out a pin on another link if you want to break it), but I've heard of people reusing them too.
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Originally Posted by jmX
Yes. My 65 gram multitool has a breaker on it.

As for "missing links", all the ones I've bought have been reusable. I use them on Dura-Ace chains, no need to buy KMC chains to be able to use a missing link. I avoided Ultegra chains due to the 2009 fiasco they had with them, but it's been long enough that all the bad ultegra chains have probably been used up by now. German Tour Mag did a test, the DA 7900 chain came out on (or near the) top from what I recall.
Which tool do you have? You have a two ounce tool that includes a chain breaker? I'm all ears. Mine weighs as much as my bike. Well, let's go with "a lot" (Park MTB-3... I think it's going to get donated to my son, he'll love it)
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Old 02-24-13, 09:30 PM
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KMC all the way! X10SL, X10EL, X10L or X10. Whatever your preference for price, weight reduction and coating (Silver, Ti Gold, DLC).

Most KMC links are reusable but some are non-reusable. Non-reusable chains are marketed towards "extreme" MTB riding. Please check the package before you buy - it will say clearly on the front.
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