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Old 01-29-13, 07:48 PM
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Looking for ride suggestions in/around Palos Verdes

I'm going to be doing some work in the vicinity of LAX. I'd like to do some after-work rides and inquired in a local bike shop. Their suggestion was to take the beach bike path to Palos Verdes, make a loop and return. Sounds like a reasonable plan, but I'm looking for two pieces of information. First, how crowded (spring/summer) is the bike/multi-use path. I'm not a speed demon, but beach-flat I'd probably be doing 18-20 while getting a workout. Any suggestions for a 15 mile loop in the Palos Verdes area? I figure 10 miles to/from and a 15 mile loop should be just about right.
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I used to live in Playa del Rey (12 yrs ago) and I hated, hated, hated the beach path. Side wind all the time, sand all over, joggers, pedestrians, roller blades (do people still do that?). The path tends to wind around a lot too, which is annoying. I never made it much south of El Segundo though, maybe it gets better. You'll be missing out if you don't ride through Venice at least once to see all the interesting people. Might not be as many in the winter though.

If you're right at LAX you can also head north a little to Marina Del Rey and hit the Ballona creek bike path.
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I'm in Manhattan Beach and in the Summer I avoid the MUP like the plague, especially on weekends. I also seem get constant punctures while riding the MUP.

I've recently started trying Strava and it just so happens my first 4 rides were Palos Verdes routes with distances ranging from 25-45 miles:
https://app.strava.com/athletes/16162...&year_offset=0

The MUP north of manhattan pier is a nice slow warmup and not too crowded in the winter, so ride it up until right after the parking lot of Redondo Pier. At that point I take Esplanade to Calle Mirimar, to Palos Verdes blvd.
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Originally Posted by rdtompki
I'm going to be doing some work in the vicinity of LAX. I'd like to do some after-work rides and inquired in a local bike shop. Their suggestion was to take the beach bike path to Palos Verdes, make a loop and return. Sounds like a reasonable plan, but I'm looking for two pieces of information. First, how crowded (spring/summer) is the bike/multi-use path. I'm not a speed demon, but beach-flat I'd probably be doing 18-20 while getting a workout. Any suggestions for a 15 mile loop in the Palos Verdes area? I figure 10 miles to/from and a 15 mile loop should be just about right.
I take the beach bike path just about every weekday.

Is it crowded? It depends on when you are on it and what you consider to be crowded. Summer weekends, it is crowded by almost any definition, particularly in Manhattan, Hermosa and Redondo Beach.

North of Manhattan Beach, to Marina Del Rey, it's relatively uncrowded at all times of the year. Go for it.

In Manhattan Beach, there is a separate pedestrian path, and most people on foot use it. Skaters (although legally required to) generally do not. But they are generally moving at a good enough clip that it is not too much of a problem.

In Hermosa Beach the bike path is a MUP with pedestrians and bikes mixing it up. It also has an 8MPH speed limit. This path is VERY slow summer weekends, and always has some amount of pedestrian traffic. Some of those pedestrians stay off to the right, but many do not. But Hermosa has very good sharrows on the adjacent roadway, so that is a good alternative.

In Redondo, there is a bike path and a small adjacent pedestrian path, and pedestrians pretty much ignore the difference, so you'll be mixing it up with clueless pedestrians. But the Esplanade is a very reasonable street alternative with a bike lane.

Basically, the ride to PV should be taken at more of a leisurely pace. Don't expect to fly through. Take your time, and enjoy the scenery. And I can assure you that if you do it in the spring/summer, you're likely to see a lot of scenery.

Once you get to PV, there are a LOT of options to loop around. Almost all of them involve a good deal of climing and/or rollers. Probably the simplest ride to start with would be to take PV Drive up over the Switchbacks and return via PV Drive East and PV Drive North ... but there are lots of other alternatives, depending on your tolerance or desire to climb.
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I'm new to the area, and haven't been on the path during peak tourist season, but I agree with Biker395. For a newbie to the area the beach path is just about the perfect place to log miles. It's almost impossible to get lost and there are there are no cars to worry about until you hit Redondo. It can get crowded on warm weekends but I haven't found that to hold me back much. Just sprint back up to speed after you pass slower moving cyclists. The beach path between Venice and the Santa Monica Pier is definitely something you want to avoid though (slow and jammed with people.)

Trojanhorse, I use some surface streets around Playa Del Ray (right where the Baloona Creek Path ends) and the access road that parallels bike path to avoid the section you're thinking of. Most road bikers do the same from what I've observed. Moves much faster.

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beach path is great if you're out with the kids but to hit the 18-20mph range w/o worrying about slippery sand, dismounting signs,
clueless fellow path users and general path traffic is a pipe dream south of el segundo.

you'll be a lot happier and get better workouts the more you ride the palos verdes peninsula. 2 of the 4 cities on the peninsula have zero stop lights-only stop signs. and we all know how many cyclists treat stop signs-as a yield. tough to beat the scenery too.

no matter what path you take to the peninsula, it's drudgery on the way to/from.
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Here is a guide to a good number of loosely organized rides in the South Bay.

https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/south-bay-rides/

Not all of them are hammerfests, but if you can keep 18-20 on the flats, even the hammerfests might be your cup of tea. Plus, it is damn near the funniest bike blog on teh gore.
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Originally Posted by ooga-booga
beach path is great if you're out with the kids but to hit the 18-20mph range w/o worrying about slippery sand, dismounting signs, clueless fellow path users and general path traffic is a pipe dream south of el segundo.
I'm faster on the beach path than the streets that you get dumped on in Redondo Beach where the bike path ends. I'm willing to bet my average speed drops 2-3mph once the beach path ends due to all of the traffic lights and stop signs. The OP is apparently starting near LAX and I think the beach trail is probably the fastest route to Palos Verdes. BTW, I've never seen a dismount sign down there and they're universally ignored if they exist. Cruising at 18-20mph on the bike path is very doable too, you just have to pass slower cyclists occasionally.
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the dismount signs i've seen have been in the redondo pier vicinity. maybe they're gone. maybe not. sounds like you just have better luck than i do riding the beach trail. it could be my universal dislike of mup's as i find them generally more prone to collisions than riding the streets. yes, the coastal roads are an endless array of stop lights/stop signs. but, as i said, no matter how you get to pv, it's drudgery since any path proves difficult to establish any lasting rhythm. i suppose most rides involve some amount of drudgery tho leaving from any point in the la basin to the extremities.
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Originally Posted by Biker395
I take the beach bike path just about every weekday.

Is it crowded? It depends on when you are on it and what you consider to be crowded. Summer weekends, it is crowded by almost any definition, particularly in Manhattan, Hermosa and Redondo Beach.

North of Manhattan Beach, to Marina Del Rey, it's relatively uncrowded at all times of the year. Go for it.

In Manhattan Beach, there is a separate pedestrian path, and most people on foot use it. Skaters (although legally required to) generally do not. But they are generally moving at a good enough clip that it is not too much of a problem.

In Hermosa Beach the bike path is a MUP with pedestrians and bikes mixing it up. It also has an 8MPH speed limit. This path is VERY slow summer weekends, and always has some amount of pedestrian traffic. Some of those pedestrians stay off to the right, but many do not. But Hermosa has very good sharrows on the adjacent roadway, so that is a good alternative.

In Redondo, there is a bike path and a small adjacent pedestrian path, and pedestrians pretty much ignore the difference, so you'll be mixing it up with clueless pedestrians. But the Esplanade is a very reasonable street alternative with a bike lane.

Basically, the ride to PV should be taken at more of a leisurely pace. Don't expect to fly through. Take your time, and enjoy the scenery. And I can assure you that if you do it in the spring/summer, you're likely to see a lot of scenery.

Once you get to PV, there are a LOT of options to loop around. Almost all of them involve a good deal of climing and/or rollers. Probably the simplest ride to start with would be to take PV Drive up over the Switchbacks and return via PV Drive East and PV Drive North ... but there are lots of other alternatives, depending on your tolerance or desire to climb.

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OK, so after watching this youtube video it looks like I've been exiting the beach trail where it runs into Hermosa Ave. I didn't realize it kept going after that point (looks like a hard right is required to stay on it.) So my comments would only apply to section of bike path between Playa Del Ray and north Hermosa Beach and then surface streets south to Palos Verdes. Overall that route moves at a pretty good pace IMO.

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Originally Posted by Biker395
I take the beach bike path just about every weekday.

Is it crowded? It depends on when you are on it and what you consider to be crowded. Summer weekends, it is crowded by almost any definition, particularly in Manhattan, Hermosa and Redondo Beach.

North of Manhattan Beach, to Marina Del Rey, it's relatively uncrowded at all times of the year. Go for it.

In Manhattan Beach, there is a separate pedestrian path, and most people on foot use it. Skaters (although legally required to) generally do not. But they are generally moving at a good enough clip that it is not too much of a problem.

In Hermosa Beach the bike path is a MUP with pedestrians and bikes mixing it up. It also has an 8MPH speed limit. This path is VERY slow summer weekends, and always has some amount of pedestrian traffic. Some of those pedestrians stay off to the right, but many do not. But Hermosa has very good sharrows on the adjacent roadway, so that is a good alternative.

In Redondo, there is a bike path and a small adjacent pedestrian path, and pedestrians pretty much ignore the difference, so you'll be mixing it up with clueless pedestrians. But the Esplanade is a very reasonable street alternative with a bike lane.

Basically, the ride to PV should be taken at more of a leisurely pace. Don't expect to fly through. Take your time, and enjoy the scenery. And I can assure you that if you do it in the spring/summer, you're likely to see a lot of scenery.

Once you get to PV, there are a LOT of options to loop around. Almost all of them involve a good deal of climing and/or rollers. Probably the simplest ride to start with would be to take PV Drive up over the Switchbacks and return via PV Drive East and PV Drive North ... but there are lots of other alternatives, depending on your tolerance or desire to climb.
This is probably the most accurate description.

If you ride the path on a summer day between 10am - 8pm expect people. If its a weekend expect lots of people. If there s a volleyball tournament or 6man or 4th of July, expect chaos.

My advice though when you get to PV is to head up Via Del Monte. Its a nice long climb with a good wide shoulder and beautiful views over LA.
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FYI I ride with the WLA Cycling CLub. They are on meetup.com. We meet at Dock 52 in Marina Del Rey Sundays at 10, rideout 1030, go S to Palos Verdes and return to MDR. Stop for lunch halfway out. Slow riders, average maybe 12mph. Route is mostly flat then hilly up Palos Verdes and back down. I checked online and believe it has about 1800 feet total elevation increases on the roundtrip ride (all in the PV segment.)

There is a much faster group called the Dockriders i think that leaves earlier from Dock 52 and has a few different routes they do.

There is a dismount area at the Redondo beach pier and also another one on the MUP at a pier further north (I think it is the Manhattan Beach pier.) For those content to ride 10-15mph the MUP is not too congested. The group i ride with avoids the MUP for portions of the ride in the more congested areas. In the PV area this is all on surface streets as the MUP doesnt go up to Palos Verdes.

Ive also done some biking continuing on from PV to San Pedro, riding around San Pedro but dont know of any group that does this.
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