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Old 02-04-13, 12:34 PM
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KOM Training Rides

I am always looking for new training routes, so post the routes you are using to get ready for KOM.

Weather, health and family all finally cooperated on Saturday to allow me to get in my first real KOM training ride. I posted the route in an earlier thread. Here it is again, with a minor change:

Starting near First Ave. and Imperial in La Mirada / La Habra:

First Ave./Whit. Blvd./Bogardus/Janine/La Serna/Youngwood.

First climb: Seranata.
Cerquita/Mar Vista

Second climb: Colima.
Camino del Sur/Vallecito

Third climb: Turnbull Cyn./Avocado Ter./Edgeridge.
Skyline/Turnbull (to Whit)/Beverly Blvd.

Fourth climb: Greenleaf.
Back down Greenleaf

Fifth Climb: Beverly/Turnbull Cyn.
Turnbull Cyn. (to Hac Hts.)/ Vallecito

Sixth Climb: Belle River Drive.
Car Green/Camino Del Sur

7th climb: Colima (very short).
Colima/Carretera/La Serna/Janine

8th climb: Santa Gertrudes/West/El Terraza/Le Flore.
Solejar/West/Hacienda

9th climb: East/Skyline (bear right until it ends).
Skyline/Fullerton (left) to Harbor

10th climb: back up Fullerton/Kanola (turn around when Kanola starts descending)
Kanola/Fullerton/East/Hacienda/west

11th climb: El Travesia/Encanada/Ardsheal. (Stop at group of mailboxes when it starts descending)
Ardsheal/Encanada/El Travesia/West/Las Palomas

12th climb: Picaacho/Le Flore.
Le flore/El Terraza/West/Santa Gertrudes/Janine/Bogardus/Whit. Blvd./First

It was 49.2 miles and 6060 feet of climbing.

If I figure out how to get the data off my new garmin as well as post it here, I will.

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Old 02-04-13, 01:13 PM
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Great to read about riders using all the excellent climbs in the Whittier Hills and surrounding areas! Lots of steep stuff there and all climbing is good . . . .but . . .
For KOM you really need longer climbs, the ones that seem almost "infinite," so long that you can't even think about the summit.

Probably not as important for Mulholland (though there are some long climbs there), but for sure you need long climbs to prepare for Breathless Agony (think Oak Glenn, Damnation Alley, the climb to Onyx), and to a slightly lesser extent, Heartbreak.

In addition to the actual KOM climbs, good practice available on Hwy 39 (to Hwy 2, or at least to Crystal Lake), Angeles Crest and (to a lesser extent) GMR/East Fork/GRR.

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Old 02-04-13, 01:30 PM
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Here are a few options for you, I did the first rides three straight weeks before BA. You can mix up the varaition on it by going back down the moutnain instead of accross it but you get less elevation and have to deal with cars and lights. You can also rider up higher. What sucks is Lytle Creek is harder to get to now because of construction but that also makes the climb that much longer. Crystal Lake is also a great option. Last year I road Onyx summit the frist week of Feburary.
https://app.strava.com/activities/5671792 (90 miles 9000ft)
https://app.strava.com/activities/3903870 (67 miles 7000ft)
https://app.strava.com/activities/3903870 (72 miles 7700ft)
https://app.strava.com/activities/3350790 (52 miles 6700ft)
https://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path...-Hill-Training# (54 miles 8000ft)
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Old 02-04-13, 03:31 PM
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Thanks for the routes, Lesper.

I lost track of how many times I went up 39 last year training for KOM and another big ride I did. I know I went to the Crystal Lake Cafe more than a dozen times. Dawson Saddle I hit at least 4 times. Those long climbs are great for BA and Heartbreak, but for Mulholland, not so much.

The longest climb on MC is 4 miles or so. But what they lack in length, they more than make up in steepness and frequency. The steepest climb, Decker, is at mile 75 and Stunt Rd. is at mile 95. Even though the climbs are not long on my route, they are steep like the Santa Monicas. Steady 5-8% I can crank out a nice steady pace, but I have trouble tapping out a steady rhythm when the road tilts over 10%, so I'm looking for steep roads without having to drive all the way out to Malibu.

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Old 02-04-13, 04:03 PM
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I will likely do a pre-ride of parts of the MC course two weeks before the event on March 30th. year, a friend and I started from Juan Bautista de Anza Park, rode the western loop (Rock Store, Cotharin, Deer Creek, Decker, Encinal) and the Stunt Rd. loop. As I recall it was about 75 miles and 8-10k of climbing. The only major climb we skipped was Topanga. if anyone is interested, let me know.
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cdp8, I did fine on all the long grades it was MC that hurt me, up down up down and so on. That and I also went to hard at it on Decker, blew up at the top and took it easy the rest of the ride. Who knows what teeh reason was, it could also be I wasnt used to eating energy food for the entire day with no real food in me.
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I am just doing base miles and trying my hand at some interval heart rate training. This is not a hard and fast program simply a guideline. I will probably take to the hills this weekend. I am no stranger to some long climbs but these look to be a challenge so I am taking preparation seriously.

I am doing an organized ride the Malibu 7 three weeks before MC I think it wise to pre ride and area I am unfamiliar with.

For BA I will most likely drive to Redlands and climb Oynx at one point for the same reason. It looks to be the longest climb I have ever done or very close to it.

I will not pre ride for HH as I feel that if I survive MC and BA this should not be an issue. Plus the fact that I have climbed the grapevine several times in the past so I will consider that enough
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Old 02-05-13, 10:20 AM
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Unfortunately, South OC lacks longer climbs, so this will have to do for now.

https://app.strava.com/activities/32709267
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Originally Posted by Bikegeek1968 View Post
Unfortunately, South OC lacks longer climbs, so this will have to do for now.

https://app.strava.com/activities/32709267
There is a paved private road off 74 that can take you at least to 2400' (but you might need to hop over a small gate to get there). Rose Canyon / Joplin Ranch Road out of RSM goes to 1800'. But yes, for a place that is squeezed between the ocean and a 5000' mountain range, there's serious shortage of paved roads going higher up into the mountains.
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Originally Posted by cdp8 View Post
I am always looking for new training routes, so post the routes you are using to get ready for KOM.

Weather, health and family all finally cooperated on Saturday to allow me to get in my first real KOM training ride. I posted the route in an earlier thread. Here it is again, with a minor change:
( a bunch of Whittier area climbs) .
Since you're in the area - just drive up to Azusa Canyon and train on the hwy 39/GMR/Mt Baldy network of mountain roads.

Originally Posted by Bikegeek1968 View Post
Unfortunately, South OC lacks longer climbs, so this will have to do for now.

https://app.strava.com/activities/32709267
I used Silverado Canyon for mountain training when i lived in Orange County.
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After only making it to pass #3 on BA last year, I am taking the training more seriously this year. If anyone is heading out to do the Ranger Station to Onyx between now and MC, maybe post your plans so we can share the fun. I haven't been back since last years BA, other than to drive up to big bear... I'm doing the torture clinic again this year, as I felt it really helped me last year - except that it ended too far before the ride and I fell off the wagon in the downtime. It's so easy to get lazy. ha ha
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Originally Posted by rooftest View Post

I used Silverado Canyon for mountain training when i lived in Orange County.
Originally Posted by hamster View Post
There is a paved private road off 74 that can take you at least to 2400' (but you might need to hop over a small gate to get there). Rose Canyon / Joplin Ranch Road out of RSM goes to 1800'. But yes, for a place that is squeezed between the ocean and a 5000' mountain range, there's serious shortage of paved roads going higher up into the mountains.
Both of those are great roads, probably the longest paved climbs I can reach from home. Ortega Highway used to be an option, but since all of the homes were built in Elsinore, it is now way to busy.

I actaully ride Blackstar Canyon off of Silverado on my road bike. It is a dirt climb, and easily done with a 34x23 and some 25mm tires. It is only rocky within the last km of the climb. I highly recommend trying it.
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Originally Posted by jimxyz View Post
After only making it to pass #3 on BA last year, I am taking the training more seriously this year. If anyone is heading out to do the Ranger Station to Onyx between now and MC, maybe post your plans so we can share the fun. I haven't been back since last years BA, other than to drive up to big bear... I'm doing the torture clinic again this year, as I felt it really helped me last year - except that it ended too far before the ride and I fell off the wagon in the downtime. It's so easy to get lazy. ha ha
Jimy, how did you like those 45 second high load/high rpm sprints? Are you in the early or late class?Last year was my first year training with Robert after being off the bike for five years; I did the prelude, torture and speed/power clinics. I thought about skipping the speed and power clinic, but I figured I would fall off the training wagon. So I bit the bullet and signed up for it. It was worth it simply because it continued to give me a hard workout twice a week that I might not have been disciplined enough to give myself at home. It was a struggle, but I completed KOM last year. I seriously doubt I would have finished MC or BA without the speed and power clinic. I'm back for another round of KOM, but I think this will be my last time.

That evolving research on "marathoner's heart" is worrisome. The time commitment to training that is necessary for a middle-aged clydesdale like myself to have a shot at completing KOM is significant. And it's a sacrifice not just for me, but my wife. After this season my fitness goals and priorities will change. Also, working with Robert has helped me develope more discipline in my training. So I'm planning on getting some rollers and a new trainer and working out at home after this season's clinics are over. I love Robert and enjoy the camaraderie of his clinics, but doing all three clinics each year is a big commitment in many respects.

There is always a group of people from Robert's clinics that do KOM and pre-ride sections of MC and BA, so ask Robert and around in class. I'll post in this thread if I hear of a group going to Malibu or Onyx. I am interested in doing both.
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Originally Posted by Bikegeek1968 View Post
Both of those are great roads, probably the longest paved climbs I can reach from home. Ortega Highway used to be an option, but since all of the homes were built in Elsinore, it is now way to busy.

I actaully ride Blackstar Canyon off of Silverado on my road bike. It is a dirt climb, and easily done with a 34x23 and some 25mm tires. It is only rocky within the last km of the climb. I highly recommend trying it.

Thanks for the Blackstar Canyon suggestion. I've done Silverado Canyon past the Maple Springs gate, all the way up to the dirt section, many times. But never tried the Blackstar Canyon.
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cdp8 - I am doing the late class - black Felt bike with Zipp wheels. I too am a middle aged clyde so I am not hard to spot in the class, ha ha. I've got three kids and one more due any day now, so finding time to ride is getting increasingly more difficult. The clinic ensures two decent workouts a week, but the late nights are a strain on the family. I can generally get a big ride in on either Sat or Sun, though I generally have to start pretty early. This year I will try to get some of the rides in listed above between now and April. I will keep an eye out for any group/training rides with clinic riders etc - as I know the big downfall for me last year was tapering off the riding after Torture Clinic and increasing the pizza and beer - ha ha. My older sister crushed BA and I ended up limping home, so I am very motivated to get it right this year (especially since she is returning again as well). I may crash the early class tonight and do a double - or at least part of it so hopefully I will see you there.
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