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San Francisco cyclist Chris Bucchere accused of felony manslaughter was bike safety i
https://www.sfexaminer.com/local/crim...as-bike-safety
Chris Bucchere, who will face felony manslaughter if convicted in the death of pedestrian Sutchi Hui, was a bike safety teacher in his spare time before to the incident.
The photo shows the cyclist without a helmet.
Chris Bucchere, who will face felony manslaughter if convicted in the death of pedestrian Sutchi Hui, was a bike safety teacher in his spare time before to the incident.
The photo shows the cyclist without a helmet.
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This is just sad. It was an accident. The cyclist should not have raced through a downhill intersection under a yellow light with pedestrians waiting to cross. The pedestrian should not have stepped off the curve until the "walk" sign actually lit up, even with no cars oncoming. Convicting the cyclist of manslaughter is not helping anything.
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This is just a stupid remark by the defense attorney:
"Chris Bucchere has been cycling all his life and even taught classes in bicycle safety. That’s why, his defense attorney said Thursday, Bucchere would not have violated any road rules last year when he struck and killed a pedestrian in the Castro district."
So traffic cops don't break road rules Makes them seem as though they're desperate.
Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: https://www.sfexaminer.com/local/crim...#ixzz2NWqgWnvp
"Chris Bucchere has been cycling all his life and even taught classes in bicycle safety. That’s why, his defense attorney said Thursday, Bucchere would not have violated any road rules last year when he struck and killed a pedestrian in the Castro district."
So traffic cops don't break road rules Makes them seem as though they're desperate.
Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: https://www.sfexaminer.com/local/crim...#ixzz2NWqgWnvp
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Sounds like he knew he screwed up.
Bucchere's case gained more attention after Hui's death when it was revealed that, on the day of the collision, he wrote about the accident on an online cycling forum. "The light turned yellow as I was approaching the intersection, but I was already way too committed to stop," he wrote.
Bucchere's case gained more attention after Hui's death when it was revealed that, on the day of the collision, he wrote about the accident on an online cycling forum. "The light turned yellow as I was approaching the intersection, but I was already way too committed to stop," he wrote.
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This is just sad. It was an accident. The cyclist should not have raced through a downhill intersection under a yellow light with pedestrians waiting to cross. The pedestrian should not have stepped off the curve until the "walk" sign actually lit up, even with no cars oncoming. Convicting the cyclist of manslaughter is not helping anything.
I see people step off the curb immediately when the light turns and it's crazy! Of course, I've been hit by a car while I was in a cross walk so perhaps I have a different outlook on being a pedestrian.
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Kill someone with a car, it's misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter. Kill someone with a bike and it's a felony? What's the difference?
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Wasn't there some footage entered as evidence? That could have pushed it into felony territory.
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They are saying that the cyclist was riding recklessly and with gross negligence, hence the eyewitnesses reporting him running stop signs.
Wasn't there some footage entered as evidence? That could have pushed it into felony territory.
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Everyone will interpret things differently but what was he thinking posting the following after the accident:
“In closing, I want to dedicate this story to my late helmet. She died in heroic fashion today as my head slammed into the tarmac... may she die knowing that because she committed the ultimate sacrifice, her rider can live on and ride on. Can I get an amen? Amen.”
It doesn't appear he was too concerned about the pedestrian.
“In closing, I want to dedicate this story to my late helmet. She died in heroic fashion today as my head slammed into the tarmac... may she die knowing that because she committed the ultimate sacrifice, her rider can live on and ride on. Can I get an amen? Amen.”
It doesn't appear he was too concerned about the pedestrian.
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You normally don't expect that you can kill or even badly hurt the person just by knocking them down with a bicycle. He himself was knocked out by the collision and the first thing he remembered was being loaded into the ambulance. If I were in his place, I'd probably assume that crashing at 30 mph hurt me more than falling to the ground hurt the pedestrian.
If not for his helmet, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because there would have been two dead people instead of one.
If not for his helmet, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because there would have been two dead people instead of one.
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I understand what you're saying hamster but I wouldn't speak or write about a "helmet dying in heroic fashion" (which he wrote after the accident) while the pedestrian was in the hospital. It shows a lack of sensitivity to the events that took place. And he did know the pedestrian was in the hospital as the following sentence makes clear.
In fairness in the same post he did write "I really hope he ends up ok".
In fairness in the same post he did write "I really hope he ends up ok".
You normally don't expect that you can kill or even badly hurt the person just by knocking them down with a bicycle. He himself was knocked out by the collision and the first thing he remembered was being loaded into the ambulance. If I were in his place, I'd probably assume that crashing at 30 mph hurt me more than falling to the ground hurt the pedestrian.
If not for his helmet, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because there would have been two dead people instead of one.
If not for his helmet, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because there would have been two dead people instead of one.
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I understand what you're saying hamster but I wouldn't speak or write about a "helmet dying in heroic fashion" (which he wrote after the accident) while the pedestrian was in the hospital. It shows a lack of sensitivity to the events that took place. And he did know the pedestrian was in the hospital as the following sentence makes clear.
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This is a common problem in news & politics. They omit what could be very pertinent information and present only the most damning (or in this place, pretty callous) snippets.
I'd be interested in seeing the entire blog post, because that quote by itself makes him sound like a self-important deuche.
I'd be interested in seeing the entire blog post, because that quote by itself makes him sound like a self-important deuche.
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This is a common problem in news & politics. They omit what could be very pertinent information and present only the most damning (or in this place, pretty callous) snippets.
I'd be interested in seeing the entire blog post, because that quote by itself makes him sound like a self-important deuche.
I'd be interested in seeing the entire blog post, because that quote by itself makes him sound like a self-important deuche.
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Posting his account of what happened on that message board is probably what lead the prosecutor to charge him with a felony. All a prosecutor has to do is use the guys own account of what happened and a jury is going to convict him (if he doesn't take a plea deal.) Purely from a legal perspective it was very stupid of him to post about it on the internet IMO.
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Apparently, not a very good one. He was clearly operating a vehicle on the street without the due care and control required for the conditions. He entered an intersection under the caution light and yet did not excercise any. He was aware of the potential for collision at that intersection as any driver or rider should be. That is the responsibility of the driver or rider. If he wasn't he should not have been traveling at that rate of speed.
The use of any road is not a right. It's a responsibility. Poor cycling skills or poor driving skills should not be argued as an excuse to kill pedestrians lest we lower the bar legally and really give our rights away.
The use of any road is not a right. It's a responsibility. Poor cycling skills or poor driving skills should not be argued as an excuse to kill pedestrians lest we lower the bar legally and really give our rights away.
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You normally don't expect that you can kill or even badly hurt the person just by knocking them down with a bicycle. He himself was knocked out by the collision and the first thing he remembered was being loaded into the ambulance. If I were in his place, I'd probably assume that crashing at 30 mph hurt me more than falling to the ground hurt the pedestrian.
If not for his helmet, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because there would have been two dead people instead of one.
If not for his helmet, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because there would have been two dead people instead of one.
To say it's going to hurt the cyclists more is just not true.
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