Red Light question - California
Not sure if this is the appropriate forum but since it is a California question, I'm posting it here.
It has been my understanding (as well as others I know) that at a T intersection where the bike lane does not have a white line crossing it, you do not have to stop. If there IS a white line crossing the bike lane, you DO have to stop. A friend of one of my teammates told her that cyclists are required to stop either way. What is the law? She looked on DMV and could not find reference to this particular situation. Anyone know what is the correct way to handle? I have chosen to stop our group at these Red Lights in interest of demonstrating good etiquette but my teammates have reacted as if doing so is not required. If I'm alone, I would be more likely to go thru but when I'm leading our team ride and I tend to be more cautious and if I'm going to err, I'd rather err on the side of safety. |
That is a good question. I have stopped before but for the most part I slow down.
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I did see some mention of not all shoulders are "bike lanes" and the white line is referred to as a fog line. The line does not extend onto "shoulder" past the fog line because it is not part of roadway. That being said, cyclists in that area are technically not in roadway and the interpretation was that stopping was not necessary.
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I would take a picture of the intersection and stop by your local LEO station. They're usually very helpful with that type stuff. Then note the officer's name and make notes of what they say, and the date of the conversation. Save the picture. Should the answer be "No, don't stop" and you ever get a ticket, you have a lot more ammunition in court. You'll get a lot further with "Based on our conversation on x date discussing this picture, Officer So-and-So said we should not stop". That will go a lot further than "I asked on a cycling forum and they said I was probably good to not stop", though I'd love to see the judge's reaction to that defense! :roflmao2:
I'm with you. Without official clarification, I think I'd stop. |
Originally Posted by PhotoJoe
(Post 16784924)
I would take a picture of the intersection and stop by your local LEO station. They're usually very helpful with that type stuff. Then note the officer's name and make notes of what they say, and the date of the conversation. Save the picture. Should the answer be "No, don't stop" and you ever get a ticket, you have a lot more ammunition in court. You'll get a lot further with "Based on our conversation on x date discussing this picture, Officer So-and-So said we should not stop". That will go a lot further than "I asked on a cycling forum and they said I was probably good to not stop", though I'd love to see the judge's reaction to that defense! :roflmao2:
I'm with you. Without official clarification, I think I'd stop. |
I'd ask John Forester on the A&S forum or by email. You can find his email here: Forester
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I had a hunch the answer was obvious, intuitively my thought was.. if there's a STOP sign.. you stop, yield sign yield, no signage, go ahead but tread carefully since it's a T. Also I can not find any reference to the "stop" lines for Ca bike lanes, as far as I know the regular vehicle signage applies to us as well so line or not... red light or stop sign you should stop.
This is from the CA DMV site, specifically the driver handbook. "[h=4]Intersections[/h]An intersection is any place where one line of roadway meets another roadway. Intersections include cross streets, side streets, alleys, freeway entrances, and any other location where vehicles traveling on different highways or roads join each other. Driving through an intersection is one of the most complex traffic situations motorists encounter. Intersection collisions account for more than 45 percent of all reported crashes and 21 percent of fatalities according to the Federal Highway Administration.
Originally Posted by Beachgrad05
(Post 16784852)
I have chosen to stop our group at these Red Lights in interest of demonstrating good etiquette but my teammates have reacted as if doing so is not required. If I'm alone, I would be more likely to go thru but when I'm leading our team ride and I tend to be more cautious and if I'm going to err, I'd rather err on the side of safety.
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I'm in a bike lane so I am a special person! Huh?
Red Light = STOP. |
Originally Posted by trailangel
(Post 16785227)
I'm in a bike lane so I am a special person! Huh?
Red Light = STOP. There are areas where this occurs and there is NO official bike lane, it is technically the shoulder of the road and the stop line does not extend onto the shoulder. I was hoping someone on the forum might have actual knowledge of the law such as a LEO cyclist. Since that is appears to be not the case. I dont' want this thread devolving...will request it be closed. |
You're kidding right?
If there is a motor vehicle next to you that has to stop, bicyclist needs to stop as well. Stop signs and traffic lights don't need limit lines at every intersection. That's what you are asking, right? |
Originally Posted by Beachgrad05
(Post 16785272)
Nowhere did I say anyone was special. But there is some question among cyclists in this regard. No need for snark.
There are areas where this occurs and there is NO official bike lane, it is technically the shoulder of the road and the stop line does not extend onto the shoulder. I was hoping someone on the forum might have actual knowledge of the law such as a LEO cyclist. Since that is appears to be not the case. I dont' want this thread devolving...will request it be closed. |
Closing per OP's request.
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