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Old 01-18-15, 11:07 AM
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Routes to Avoid 101 Traffic San Clemente to Malibu

This family posted before asking for routes on their way from San Diego to San Francisco. TOPtoTOP.org - Homepage Having Hiked Everest Kilimanjaro sailed from poll to poll biked thousands of miles etc etc. Yes they are going the opposite of the recomended way. They can handle it. They are looking for routes that will be safe and take them away from traffic when possible.

Could those in Orange County, Los Angeles, have suggestions of routes through where they are avoiding traffic where possible on their journey north
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Old 01-18-15, 11:15 AM
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Best way to avoid traffic from San Clemente to Malibu is to do the drive from 2 AM to 4 AM, taking whichever route you prefer. Not sure that there is any way to drive between these two parts of the L.A. Metroplex during normal daytime hours that is not subject to bad traffic.
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Originally Posted by D1andonlyDman View Post
Best way to avoid traffic from San Clemente to Malibu is to do the drive from 2 AM to 4 AM, taking whichever route you prefer. Not sure that there is any way to drive between these two parts of the L.A. Metroplex during normal daytime hours that is not subject to bad traffic.
They are riding bicycles so this advice i not helpful
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Originally Posted by Gallo View Post
They are riding bicycles so this advice i not helpful
Good luck with that. I don't believe that there is a good bike route to take through L.A.
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They can get from San Diego to downtown Long Beach pretty reasonably. Stay along the coast, either PCH, various roads right along the beach (e.g. Pacific in Oceanside), Camp Pendleton, San Onofre, follow the bike route thru San Clemente, and then PCH from Capistrano Beach thru Newport Beach, then stay on PCH or take the beach trail to Sunset Beach, then Marina Dr in Seal Beach to 2nd Street in Long Beach, then Appian Way to Bayshore to either the beach trail or Ocean Blvd to downtown Long Beach.

The ugly part is next, not very far distance-wise, but need to get from Long Beach to San Pedro, probably thru Wilmington and this isn't the best part of town so to speak. I don't have any suggestions as I have not done this by bike. Once they get to San Pedro they can circumnavigate Palos Verdes peninsula on PV Drive S and PV Drive W then on to Redondo Beach.

Stay along the beach, have to work their way around Marina del Rey and then back to Venice Beach, Santa Monica and on to Malibu. Some spots will be better than others, but it is eminently doable.

I'm actually thinking about doing a ride from Morro Bay back to my home in Orange County this summer so I need to find a way thru LA too. Good luck.
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Old 01-19-15, 02:21 AM
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There are two principal problems.

1. There are no good southeast to northwest routes through most of the north OC. There's basically the PCH and a smattering of roads in Yorba Linda / Fullerton / Whittier area. Nothing in between.

2. Likewise, there are no good southeast to northwest routes through south LA.

All good dedicated bike paths (SART, SGRT, etc) run perpendicular to this direction of travel.

As suggested above, the simplest solution seems to be to hug the beach. They could do something weird like taking SART to Yorba Linda and hugging the foothills (e.g. Wittier-Monrovia-Pasadena-Glendale) till they end up on Mulholland Drive, but that would be twice as long, involve substantial amounts of climbing, none of the roads except SART itself would be bike-only, and I'm not sure if anything would be won by doing this circuitous route.
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We live in South San Clemente. My wife went to school in Malibu and lived at Latigo Canyon and PCH.
Timing is the only thing that works. Sunday AM is not bad.
Route wise - you have a few options that boil down to traffic. I like taking the 10 into Santa Monica and going up the Coast.
At El Toro you can take the I-5 to the 91 and across to the 405, or zig-zag from I-5 to 91 to 605 to 105 and then hit El Segundo. That is a wee longer, but often faster.
I think using map routing software with traffic is about your best bet as it is the traffic, more than the route that matters.
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I've done the route southbound and it's pretty easy. The only tricky part is Redondo to Long Beach. They can go online and look for the ACA route through Torrance and Carson to the LA River trail and do it in reverse (LB/LA River trail/Carson/Torrance/Redondo). There are a lot of turns but it's a decent route. I did it a few months ago on a weekday afternoon and lived.
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We live in South San Clemente. My wife went to school in Malibu and lived at Latigo Canyon and PCH.
Timing is the only thing that works. Sunday AM is not bad.
Route wise - you have a few options that boil down to traffic. I like taking the 10 into Santa Monica and going up the Coast.
At El Toro you can take the I-5 to the 91 and across to the 405, or zig-zag from I-5 to 91 to 605 to 105 and then hit El Segundo. That is a wee longer, but often faster.
I think using map routing software with traffic is about your best bet as it is the traffic, more than the route that matters.
We're discussing a bike ride here... I don't think they want to try the 5, 10, 91, 605 nor 105 in any sequence.

I think they're stuck with PCH up to PV and then the beach path up to Santa Monica and then back to PCH.

If they really want to avoid PCH down in the newport area, there are plenty of routes that will take you from San Clemente up through Mission Viejo / Irvine etc. and then you can SART back down to PCH. There are usually tons of cyclists between Costa Mesa and Long beach on PCH though and the shoulder is huge. It's not perfectly safe, but then nothing is.
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Sorry - feel stupid.
I've done that ride some a few times. They will be 80% Hwy 1 and there is traffic. There are side streets in Laguna people take, mostly its Hwy 1.
Key things are stay left of El Segundo Blvd at LAX (don't go under runway) and go Playa Del Rey. They can do bike trail along the beach North of LAX but in the summer - that's filled with idiots.

Have them see if they can fine the "Pacific Coast Bicycle Route, 1,856 miles (2,987 km): Vancouver, BC ←→ Imperial Beach, CA" . That was put together in 1976, but is the route they want. A few signs still exist.
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Are they trying to get to Malibu specifically, or they just need a route through SoCal on the way to SF?

If they don't need Malibu and they want to avoid PCH, they could take 395 to Temecula (fairly low traffic), then there are roads parallel to I-15 as far as Corona (see Hemet Double Century route). Not sure what's the optimal route from there, but they could, for example, find their way to Cajon Pass and then go Wrightwood-Acton-Santa Clarita-Ventura or Wrightwood-Palmdale-Gorman-Santa Maria via route 166. In both cases there's about a mile along the shoulder of I-15, and route 166 seems to have no shoulder in some places, but both routes see lots of cyclists.
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Sorry - feel stupid.
Nah, don't. It was pretty obvious you just misread the OP and I was pulling your leg some.

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Are they trying to get to Malibu specifically, or they just need a route through SoCal on the way to SF?
Good question!

If you check out Strava's global heat map you can see where everybody else is riding. Most of it is river trails & beach roads - there's no really awesome way to connect all the cycling routes in South OC to Santa Monica and points west, although the roads along the foothills look OK there's no really good way to get THERE either.

https://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#9/-1...9060/gray/bike
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If they plan to continue north from Malibu on the PCH, please let them know the PCH is closed to all traffic from Deer Creek to Los Posas in Ventura County due to mudslides. Updates can be found at the Cal Trans web site.
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