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Old 07-24-16, 10:14 AM
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No mention of the July 4th's rally. We were there. Rode with a very different strategy this time. Quite enjoyable. Weather was nice. Routes fantastic. Rest stops didn't work out as planned but had a overall good experience. Kudos to the motorists, thanks. Drove home without power steering. Quite an arm workout. Found a great Martini Bar in Klamath Falls. Were you there?
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Have done dozens of tandem rallies in our 42+ years of riding TWOgether.
Started in 1976 with the 1st Midwest Tandem Rally in Kokomo, IN and ended a few years ago with a SWTR in TX.
Have ridden NWTR and even a couple in Canada.
Always great to meet and ride with fellow tandem enthusiasts!
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I thought the folks in Klamath Falls did an outstanding job. The sports center chosen as a base of operations served it's purpose very well. Lots of helpful and friendly volunteers. Pleasant routes that were mostly free of motor vehicles. The few encountered were extremely careful and polite. The local community really seemed to support the event and even put the mass start on the front page of the local paper. The rest stops had great food and other creative items, like frozen washcloths for the hot afternoon. Plus, how can you beat an event that has free beer and wine?
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Linda & I missed going to Klamath this year as we had a "must attend" family event to attend in Bellingham, WA, and another event up in Penticton, BC a couple weeks later.

On the way to Bellingham, we stopped in Monroe to do 40 miles of next year's 2017 NWTR - Day 2 route. The entire ride was plagued with obnoxious drivers that seemed to try to clip us with their mirrors if not outright sideswipes. On what would have been a very nice section of country road with no shoulder, we even had one oncoming pickup truck decide to pass the car in front of him, regardless of the fact that he had only a few seconds before running into us headlong. We have many thousands of miles riding in NA and Europe, but this scared the crap out of us. I have the shorts to prove it.

Hopefully the 2017 NWTR committee will have the support of local traffic enforcement to get a handle on the traffic situation in that rally area.

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Old 07-25-16, 10:20 AM
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We attended along with another team of old friends. 3 of us haven't been riding as much as past years (1 recovering from injuries, 1 from work conflicts, 1 from post-retirement hobby conflicts) so the strategy was to dial back and just cruise the medium route on Saturday (64 miles) and modify the Sunday route down to 40 miles.

Once you got out of town, the farm roads had next to zero traffic, and those cars encountered were polite. Both days were quite flat with less than a 1000 feet of climbing. Only minus was a nasty set of railroad tracks on Saturday which claimed a number of flat tires.

Rally organization was very good. We had failed to purchase banquet tix beforehand, but organizers hooked us up with a someone who wanted to sell his - that was beyond the call of duty.

Food at the banquet was above average and free microbrew was available every afternoon at HQ.

No obvious planning errors come to mind so I give the organizers a gold star.
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Old 07-25-16, 12:21 PM
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This was our first NWTR.

We were surprised at how much difference 4000 feet elevation makes versus sea level. Between that and not riding as much preceding the event, we appreciated the lack of climbs. Although it was rather unfortunate that the biggest climb on Saturday and Sunday came at the very end of the ride :-p

Weather was great, the venue even better, and the volunteers best of all. Enjoyed being able to camp *at* the venue. The drone doing video of the mass start was an interesting touch (I should post a link as it is online...).

Between the two days I actually liked the Sunday ride route better being against the hill in some trees.

It was a great event for us... but then winning a new tandem bike as the top raffle prize might make us a bit biased
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Originally Posted by vrooom3440 View Post
This was our first NWTR.

We were surprised at how much difference 4000 feet elevation makes versus sea level. Between that and not riding as much preceding the event, we appreciated the lack of climbs. Although it was rather unfortunate that the biggest climb on Saturday and Sunday came at the very end of the ride :-p

Weather was great, the venue even better, and the volunteers best of all. Enjoyed being able to camp *at* the venue. The drone doing video of the mass start was an interesting touch (I should post a link as it is online...).

Between the two days I actually liked the Sunday ride route better being against the hill in some trees.

It was a great event for us... but then winning a new tandem bike as the top raffle prize might make us a bit biased Take some pics and post it here in the forum!
As long as you aren't climbing, the thinner air should make you go faster

Glad to hear you otherwise had a great time in spite of winning a new tandem
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Originally Posted by vrooom3440 View Post
This was our first NWTR.

It was a great event for us... but then winning a new tandem bike as the top raffle prize might make us a bit biased
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Official 2016 NWTR Video

Grabbed this link from the NTWR facebook page.

The vid seems to have a "Created from above" logo plastered over the entire thing. Too bad.


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Old 07-27-16, 10:40 PM
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The drone pilot was selling CDs for $10 with the video with the watermark removed. So yeah the freebie view on YouTube has the watermark over it.

As to winning the bike... I wasn't going to be obnoxious or brag but if you really want to know

Bike Friday donated a new custom Tandem to support the NWTR and that was the top raffle prize on Saturday night. As the winners, we will need to make another trip to Oregon (oh darn!) and visit the good folks at Bike Friday and play the measurement game and choose options for our raffle prize bike. We won credit for a basic Bike Friday Tandem but who rides a basic bike? Still I like only having to pay for the options and not the whole bike. And visiting a bike factory is always a fun time (we visited the Co-Motion factory shortly after we got our Primera, quite interesting).

Not too familiar with the Bike Friday products so I have a learning curve there... got suggestions on how I should trick this thing out?
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The drone pilot was selling CDs for $10 with the video with the watermark removed. So yeah the freebie view on YouTube has the watermark over it.

As to winning the bike... I wasn't going to be obnoxious or brag but if you really want to know

Bike Friday donated a new custom Tandem to support the NWTR and that was the top raffle prize on Saturday night. As the winners, we will need to make another trip to Oregon (oh darn!) and visit the good folks at Bike Friday and play the measurement game and choose options for our raffle prize bike. We won credit for a basic Bike Friday Tandem but who rides a basic bike? Still I like only having to pay for the options and not the whole bike. And visiting a bike factory is always a fun time (we visited the Co-Motion factory shortly after we got our Primera, quite interesting).

Not too familiar with the Bike Friday products so I have a learning curve there... got suggestions on how I should trick this thing out?
First consideration is whether or not you need a new Bike Friday (no dis intended). If you otherwise don't need it, this may be a good time to sell it as "New" and let the buyers go direct to BF instead of you. You might have to check with BF and/or NWTR if that is an option.

"suggestions on how I should trick this thing out?"

Di2 of course
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Old 07-30-16, 09:41 PM
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Keeping the Friday as your travel tandem would be an option . . .
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Maybe you can upgrade from the basic model to this one (if they still make it).
Have ridden that model with the designers wife years ago . . . excellent machine!
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Maybe you can upgrade from the basic model to this one (if they still make it).
Have ridden that model with the designers wife years ago . . . excellent machine!
Unfortunately, that double vee design was not kept, the designer left BF and apparently the inspiration to maintain it left, as well. A team here in San Diego rides a beautiful yellow one exclusively. They got rid of their standard tandem bike because of the ride quality of the Twosday. Riding along with them, you can see the titanium seat booms flex and absorb road bumps/chatter that the 20" wheels contribute. Basically, like the carbon softride beams of yore. It sure looks better than the current parallelogram design. But, I have no practical experience with either. So, maybe the current design fits in better with BFs philosophy and build equipment.
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First consideration is whether or not you need a new Bike Friday (no dis intended). If you otherwise don't need it, this may be a good time to sell it as "New" and let the buyers go direct to BF instead of you. You might have to check with BF and/or NWTR if that is an option.

"suggestions on how I should trick this thing out?"

Di2 of course
You are on my frequency here. As to the DI2 idea I wonder. I wonder if I need another set of batteries to keep charged for things to work? I wonder about losing the triple crank and thus losing gear range? I suppose I would have to seriously look at all the numbers with some of the very wide range cassettes out for mountain now and pair with a custom front double (ie: non-compact) and see how it all worked out.

But then doesn't Di2 seem a bit overkill for a Bike Friday? Does anybody make carbon rims in 20"?

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Keeping the Friday as your travel tandem would be an option . . .
This idea is actually a serious contender here. The BF as travel tandem would make the S&S couplers on the Primera rather moot. So we could sell the Primera and upgrade to something a bit more optimized to the local ride.

I have to admit that those Landsharks sure are pretty
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It would probably be best to start a new thread for this discussion. Here's my take on your questions...

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As to the DI2 idea I wonder. I wonder if I need another set of batteries to keep charged for things to work?
The current batteries easily last for well over a month, two or three or more, depends on usage level. There is a visual level indicator to determine when to charge. Level drops very very gradually (over weeks). We use ours fairly heavily and a > 50% charge lasts for over a month before I start thinking about recharging it out of impatience.

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I wonder about losing the triple crank and thus losing gear range? I suppose I would have to seriously look at all the numbers with some of the very wide range cassettes out for mountain now and pair with a custom front double (ie: non-compact) and see how it all worked out.
Di2 triple setup is available via the XTR mtn derailleurs, however chainring size and range is more limited than with the Di2 road derailleurs.

Personally, we do not like wide range cassettes due to the big steps between cogs, but sometimes you just need that 36t or bigger for super steep stuff.

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But then doesn't Di2 seem a bit overkill for a Bike Friday? Does anybody make carbon rims in 20"?
Possibly, depends on how much you ride it and how "tricked" you want it. They also have Rolhoff... no cassette or derailleurs. $$$$

I believe 20" wheels are used by some recumbent bikes and many BMX. Google "20 inch carbon rims". You can even find these available from HED.

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This was our second NWTR, and as others have said, the organizers did a terrific job. On the other hand, some of the riders were downright obnoxious. The riders in one particular "peloton" (that's probably how they viewed themselves) should be banned from all future events.

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This was our second NWTR, and as others have said, the organizers did a terrific job. On the other hand, some of the riders were downright obnoxious. The riders in one particular "peloton" (that's probably how they viewed themselves) should be banned from all future events.

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We haven't done group rides or organized rides in many years, mostly due to what we see as a general decline in the quality of bike handling and skills, including decision-making and priorities, among people who ride. It seems to us that the worst examples are people who took up cycling during the Lance era and think that every ride is an epic stage of an epic race, but I certainly couldn't provide much proof for that opinion. Besides, I've got awesome places to ride where I live, so why should I travel just to ride roads that are less scenic and have more traffic.

That said, we are considering doing a few organized rides next year, partly for nostalgia's sake and partly for the camaraderie. As such, I'm interested in just what the group of obnoxious riders at the NWTR were doing that was so offensive. Can you provide more details?
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The riders in question repeatedly found the need to pass us within inches and then cut in front of us. Maybe I was at fault for not realizing that the NWTR was a race. Still, I did not see any yellow jerseys.
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The riders in question repeatedly found the need to pass us within inches and then cut in front of us. Maybe I was at fault for not realizing that the NWTR was a race. Still, I did not see any yellow jerseys.
Communication is very important when riding in group or paceline. Aside from the usual alerts (eg. "on your left"), don't be shy about correcting dangerous moves. One of the stupidest things I've experienced was a rider throwing away an empty water bottle at a Gran Fondo. It hit the concrete divider and bounced back across our group. We managed to avoid the bottle but I loudly told him that it was a dangerous thing to do. It was a close call because a loose water caused a serious crash (and a severe head injury) in a prior year.
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The riders in question repeatedly found the need to pass us within inches and then cut in front of us. Maybe I was at fault for not realizing that the NWTR was a race. Still, I did not see any yellow jerseys.
How was it that they were repeatedly behind you? Were they perhaps thinking of doing a pace line?

When you have some 300 tandems all sharing the same route, it isn't likely to be riding single file 100% of the time. That's the thing about riding in larger groups or big events... people's expectations, skill & comfort level can be quite disparate. In my experience, this is especially so with the tandem crowd where riding anywhere within 5ft of each other seems to usually bring on tense and anxious postures.

If you find yourself among a mix of riders who you do not appreciate, then the best solution is either leave them behind or step off for a quick break.
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We were probably well behind any riders with that much competitive spirit, fortunately for us. Other than the BBQ place not showing up on time to serve lunch on Saturday, we found our first NWTR to be very well organized. We enjoyed the camaraderie in the RV "camping" area as much as the ride.

We didn't win any of the nice prizes, but we still enjoyed ourselves immensely.
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I think I may have heard comments that the organizers were caught by surprise at how fast folks were riding/finishing. They really did not expect the majority of riders to arrive at the BBQ stop until lunch time. So they improvised with PBJ sandwiches as best they could when so many showed up so early.

Of course the BBQ vendor forgetting the potatoes was a special touch.

Then there was the vendor that was supposed to provide breakfast burritos and went MIA. The organizers scrambled and almost covered that one over. The leftovers at the rest stop were really quite good.

I am sure that the event was just as memorable for the organizers and volunteers as the riders, but probably for very different reasons.

Something I wonder here... how many would be willing to volunteer their time for a day or 1/2 a day at an event like this? Would you be willing to forgo riding one day to help out on course for others to enjoy the ride? I have often found this to be a lot of fun and a way to meet a lot of great people (yeah, I have spent too many hours in scouting).
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Something I wonder here... how many would be willing to volunteer their time for a day or 1/2 a day at an event like this? Would you be willing to forgo riding one day to help out on course for others to enjoy the ride? I have often found this to be a lot of fun and a way to meet a lot of great people (yeah, I have spent too many hours in scouting).
We would. We've helped out on ultra marathons and other sporting events, even spent the 5 days previous to the NWTR helping with a vintage sports car event. We'll be doing even more for the car event in 2017, so adding something else would have to fit into our availability schedule.
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