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Old 09-16-21, 07:00 PM
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Schwalbe One

Hi all,

We weigh in right at the weight limit for Schwalbe One tires. These are the tires with micro skin that would be used with tubes, not tubeless rims. Any reason why these are a worse idea than Gatorskins?

Thanks!
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Old 09-16-21, 09:57 PM
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Not as puncture resistant. We have Schwalbe Ones and Gatorskins. The One's feel softer on the road, but have had their more-than-fair share of punctures. Gatorskins have been trouble-free.
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Old 09-17-21, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by pm124 View Post
Hi all,

We weigh in right at the weight limit for Schwalbe One tires. These are the tires with micro skin that would be used with tubes, not tubeless rims. Any reason why these are a worse idea than Gatorskins?

Thanks!
I've always found Gatorskins very difficult to mount and remove from the rim. No experience of Schwalbe One.
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Old 09-28-21, 12:35 PM
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Have been using Schwalbe One for years. They ride great and rarely get a flat.
The last one was because I wore the tire down to the cords.
Gatorskins ride like bricks.
Team weight ~260 lbs.
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Old 11-14-21, 12:42 PM
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Were riding 32mm Gatorskins and are considering trying the 32mm Schwalbe Ones. Want something more performance oriented for high speed descents and cornering. I agree with everyone, the GSs ride like a brick but are sturdy and puncture resistant. Our team is 330 lb + 40 lb loaded tandem. The OP didn't say what the weight limit is for Schwalbe Ones.

Should we make the switch ?
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Old 11-14-21, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Artmo View Post
I've always found Gatorskins very difficult to mount and remove from the rim. No experience of Schwalbe One.
Get yourself a good tire jack and let it do the grunt work. I personally haven't found tires that Pedros or Park Tool tire levers can't deal with, but I have seen tire jacks around and suspect that they work as advertised.
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Old 11-14-21, 04:33 PM
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To save some posters their time, I did the calc and the all up tandem weight limit for Schwalbe Ones would be 308, 70kg/tire.. Our current team weight is 285 + 36 for stripped bike + say 10 for baggage and water = 331 lbs. We ride 28 or 32 mm Conti 5000, at 95 for the 32mm, 105 for the 28mm. At those pressures we no not pinch flat, period. We have done loaded tours on 28mm tires at 115, no pinch flats then either. We have no problem with the 5000 tires. Sure they flat, but it's rare, plenty rare enough that we would never run Gatorskins.

I don't find a weight limit anywhere for the 5000 tire series. I have no idea why Shwalbe would put a limit on their tires. I note that the max pressure listed for tubed Schwalbe tires is similar to that listed for Conti 5000. One would think that max intended load would be a function of max pressure and width.
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I have used both Conti GP5000TL 700CX25 and Schwalbe Pro One 700C X 25 on my solo bikes. I have run both of these tires tubeless. Both are good. Both seem to have their weaknesses. I have had two GP5000s fail with the bead separating from the tire carcass. I had 3 of the Pro Ones suffer premature failures due to sidewall cuts more than 10mm in length. I currently have GP5000s on 2 bikes and Pro Ones on one. The one with the Pro Ones gets the fewest miles. I consider the Pro Ones to be a bit more fragile than the GP5000, but the catastrophic failures of two nearly worn out GP5000s on the solo bike are a big weight on my mind. When the current GP5000s wear out I will hopefully be able to get the GP5000S TR. If they are not available, I will switch to Pro Ones. But I expect to be riding Jumbo Jims for the next few months.

We have used Schwalbe Marathon and Conti GP5000 on our tandem. The Marathons were 700C X 37 and the GP5000 are 700C X 32. We ran the Marathons at 85 PSI and the GP5000 at 90. The GP5000 are decidedly faster. We had one pinch flat with the Marathons on a fast downhill on a Scottish "B" road with unavoidable potholes. The Marathons seem to last for ever. The rear GP5000 was below the wear indicators at 2000 miles, but the front is just fine. Our maximum all up weight is right around 500 pounds, which rules out the Pro Ones on the tandem. I expect to stay with the GP5000s on the tandem. Hopefully I can get some of the GP5000S TR in 700C X 32 as well.
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I’ve been happy with 32mm GP5000 front and Conti 4 seasons on the rear of the tandem, both at 90 psi with Schwalbe Aerothan tubes. As ridden, total weight is probably about 350 lbs. This combination has been smooth and trouble free so far. I switched to 4 seasons on the rear a few years back when I kept getting rear sidewall cuts on GP4000. Apparently I am not as good at missing hazards that might damage the sidewall with the rear wheel as with the front. I haven’t had that problem with the 4 seasons.

Many years ago I used gatorskins on the tandem and they were reliable, but once I tried more supple tires I decided to move on.
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Iíve been happy with 32mm GP5000 front and Conti 4 seasons on the rear of the tandem, both at 90 psi with Schwalbe Aerothan tubes. As ridden, total weight is probably about 350 lbs. This combination has been smooth and trouble free so far. I switched to 4 seasons on the rear a few years back when I kept getting rear sidewall cuts on GP4000. Apparently I am not as good at missing hazards that might damage the sidewall with the rear wheel as with the front. I havenít had that problem with the 4 seasons.

Many years ago I used gatorskins on the tandem and they were reliable, but once I tried more supple tires I decided to move on.
I gather that you find the roadability of the 4 Seasons to be similar to that of the 5000, like wet weather road-holding and the like. I wouldn't mind running more durable tires for winter and unknown roads, though I've never had a sidewall or other issue with the 5000. Put them on as soon as they appeared in the market.
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Originally Posted by reburns View Post
Many years ago I used gatorskins on the tandem and they were reliable, but once I tried more supple tires I decided to move on.
Yeah, same here! A "more supple" ride is greatly appreciated by my stoker...... However, since I recently discovered that I had a few Gatorskins in storage, I thought that I had better use them up.

For the last two or three years I've been running Schwalbe Ones (w/V-guard) as well as GP4000s without any issues at all, but I think we're pretty fortunate to have nice country roads to ride on in our area. I don't think we've had a flat in at least 10 years or so. I'll likely go with GP5000s once I've worn out the remainder of the Gatorskins.
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
I gather that you find the roadability of the 4 Seasons to be similar to that of the 5000, like wet weather road-holding and the like. I wouldn't mind running more durable tires for winter and unknown roads, though I've never had a sidewall or other issue with the 5000. Put them on as soon as they appeared in the market.
I havenít sensed a difference in handling or wet weather grip, although I should say that I get very cautious on wet surfaces. I believe the 4 seasons roll slightly stiffer, but on the rear it is handling extra duty in terms of loading by weight and driving force, so Iím thinking that a somewhat more robust tire is possibly a better match for the rear in any event.
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