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Old 05-07-06, 09:34 AM
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Aluminum vs Steel Burleys - Frame Flex?

Hi everyone. While this is my first post to the forum I have checked the archives for similar questions. While there is lots of info (thanks everyone) on frame flex and different frame materials and builds I couldn't quite find the answers. Here goes:

Main Question: Has anyone directly compared the steel Burley Rumba/Duet vs the aluminum Tamburello/Tosa? Are there any substantial differences in flex along the top tube (fishtailing)?

Background: My wife and I are new to tandeming and are currently test riding in the $1500 range. Combined weight around 260 pounds. Each doing around 50 miles per week on our singles. Captain 5'10'', stoker 5'2''. Both spin pretty smoothly, as spending a fair bit of time on rollers over the winter.
Prime motivation for looking at tandems: pulling our toddler in a Chariot trailer, and later, if she is up for it, having her stoke with kiddie cranks.
Secondary Motivation: New toy for fast(ish) 1-4 hour rides for the adults. Trying something different. Why wait until our daughter can stoke if we get some fun out of it in the meantime.

Experience so far: Ridden a Rumba and a Paso Doble. Size small fits great. Tried the Paso to see what additional $1000+ buys you. Sure it's a bit nicer, but the bottomline for us was that both frames seemed to flex like crazy along the top tube, almost as if there is a pivoting point between captain and stoker. While never really disconcerting, the wobbliness was quite annoying particularly when doing smooth S-turns staying within a lane of traffic, but even when cruising along the flats. Given our low weight we were very surprised about the wobble as we didn't expect to be able to flex any decent frame. (Though subsequently I heard from a similarly built neighbor that they called their recently sold Duet "Team Tuna" as it seemed to propel itself like a fish.) But with the amount of perceived flex we knew we would not enjoy riding this tandem.

To see whether the flex was because of us being newbies with complete lack of co-ordination we then tried a Comotion Primera (again size small). There was absolute no flex even when we tried to weave around hard. My wife said that this rides like a bike, not like a drunk tanker. It was just solid, and for the first time we thought that we could really enjoy tandeming, not just for its novelty value and for family duties (pulling trailer, having kid stoker). Note: We rode the Paso again right afterwards, and wobbled again big time.

The Problem? We don't have $3000 for a Primera. Would a cheaper aluminum bike fit the bill? We could order a new 2005 Tamburello for 1400, but can't test ride it. We know the small Burley geometry fits very nicely. However, this would only be worth it if the aluminum frame (with the same geometry as the steel Rumba) is likely to eliminate most of the top tube flex. Will the different material alone (since it's the same geometry otherwise) be able to do that?
Any thoughts and suggestions much appreciated. What other bikes in the 1500 range may fit the bill?

Final note: Comfort seems to be less of an issue. Even without a suspension seatpost on the steel frames my wife didn't seem to mind anything short of real potholes. So I would think an al frame with a shock post could work for us comfort wise.

Many thanks.
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Old 06-23-06, 10:57 PM
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Rode both the Rumba and Tamburell0 (2005 models)

Tamburello much stiffer -- lighter weight couples might find it a tad faster, but a bit harsher (aluminum singles are quite harsh; tandems less so, since the tubes are so long)

Rumba has the springiness of steel -- some love it, others hate it --

Heavier couples would probably find it too flexy and their weight will tend to mute any vibrations that come through aluminium

Being lighter weight myself, I prefer the steel but would go with aluminum on a higher-end model with carbon fork if I and my primary stoker were speed freaks
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I used to stock 3 tandems in my store: An entry level priced bike like a KHS, A Burley, and a Santana. If you would test ride one immediately after the other you would sense a huge amount of difference in the stability of the frames.
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I ride a Cannondale MT and this is rock solid Aluminium. Does not offer flex in any way or offer a great deal of comfort to the riders. Stoker has a suspension post and as this is an offroader- there is front suspension. When I was looking to see if Tandemming was for me- I was loaned a cheap steel Tandem and I almost did not bother. The flex on that thing was alarming. The style of the frame looked good and was probably pretty strong but the way that thing flexed was almost dangerous. Steel is a commonly used material, and there are not many complaints about them flexing so perhaps your choice of Model was not suitable for you. As for me- The last steel solo I had was 10 years ago so I have been riding this unforgiving Aluminium Alloy on too many bikes now to even think about using any other material. Mind you- Suspension seat posts do offer a great deal of comfort.
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