2001 Cannondale RT1000 White?
I am interested in buying a 2001 Cannondale RT1000 Tandem. The seller says it is a 24 speed and the color is white. I cannot verify that the 2001 RT1000 came in White. Was white use for an earlier model year? Whay would be a good price for this tandem in excellent condition?
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Hi,
I have an RT1000 from either 2000 or 2001 and it is white! Mine is 27 speed though, not 24 speed. I'm pretty sure both the 2000 and the 2001 RT1000 is 27 speed. Check the bike archives on the cannondale web site. A fair price would be between 1500 to 1750 USD. Regards Gerben |
Originally Posted by macarlson
I am interested in buying a 2001 Cannondale RT1000 Tandem. The seller says it is a 24 speed and the color is white. I cannot verify that the 2001 RT1000 came in White.
For a definitive answer on the age of any used Cannondale where the specs are in question, ask the seller to provide you with the serial number (its located on the bottom of the left chainstay)... Then call Cannondale Tech Support and ask them to decode it: 1-800-245-3872 If it were a single bike I'm pretty sure it could still be decoded using C'dale's standard Serial Number sequence (see quoted text from Sheldon Brown's website below).
Originally Posted by Sheldon Brown's Website
Cannondale Serial number code: first two digits are the size, next 6 are date of manufacture, remainder are unit number. For instance: SN#54021787121 indicates a 54 cm frame, built on February 17, 1987, #121.
Originally Posted by macarlson
Whay would be a good price for this tandem in excellent condition?
http://www.thetandemlink.com/usedhome.html The tool works off of fair market value and requires the use of a current replacement value as well as the correct model year for the tandem you're trying to evaluate. A current year Cannondale RT1000 is better equipped compared to an older model RT1000 (it's more of an RT3000 / RT1000 hybrid), so something a bit less than current retail price (-10%), plus the value of any options added to the bike would form the replacement value to use in my tool. When I last checked, the '06 RT1000 was selling for about $2,475 at www.tandemseast.com, so about $2250 might be a good starting point for a "notional" RT1000 replacement value without an Avid BB disc brakes and something less than Ultegra / XT / DT hubset level componentry. |
I would strongly suggest that you buy a new tandem if the used price is 90% of new. Components wear out quickly on a tandem and they're expensive to replace. TGeek's pricing guide may be reasonable for tandem stuff, but I wouldn't pay more than half of new cost were it a single bike, and have done so many times for all sorts of components and complete bikes.
I bought a "NEW" 2003 Cdale road tandem for $1750 18 months ago. |
Some may have paid 90% of new price for a used 2001 tandem. We do not see that happening very often, particularly on a low end quality tandem. Even if the frame has a life time waranty most components come with a one year.... it does not make any sense.
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I bought a new 2004 Cannondale tandem 9 months ago (had been hanging in the bike shop for a long time) for ~ $1750.
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Originally Posted by ElRey
TGeek's pricing guide may be reasonable for tandem stuff, but I wouldn't pay more than half of new cost were it a single bike, and have done so many times for all sorts of components and complete bikes. I bought a "NEW" 2003 Cdale road tandem for $1750 18 months ago.
Originally Posted by cornucopia72
Some may have paid 90% of new price for a used 2001 tandem. We do not see that happening very often, particularly on a low end quality tandem. Even if the frame has a life time waranty most components come with a one year.... it does not make any sense.
Relative to depreciation, what I found as I worked to develop my tables was that the only reason tandems have historically held their value better than single bikes is the old law of supply and demand: there just aren't that many tandems around and second-hand buyer pricing seem willing to pay proportionately more for a used tandem than a used single. It's also worthwhile to note that, with the exception of Co-Motion, lifetime frame warranties are only valid for the first owner which is a fairly big driver in the nearly instant 15% depreciation hit that a new tandem takes. Finally, in terms of current fair market values, it's noteworthy that Cannondale effectively depressed the resale value of all their tandems produced before '04 when they scaled back their offerings from a full-line of tandems (entry-mid-high) to a single road and off-road offering at what is entry-level pricing for Co-Motion and Santana. The aforementioned prices paid cited by ElRey and Shider also reflect that same depressed cost basis for the blow-out pricing that dealers will offer to unload unsold Cannondale tandem inventory. These factors all influence that "replacement cost" number that drives the pricing table and used Burley's are somewhat in the same boat as C'dale given their failed last ditch, super-low pricing strategy on tandems before exiting the market. |
Sorry Tgeek: I misread your post- 1000 words/minute and bad eyes Thought you were implying that $2250 was what your formula spat out as a price on late-model used Cdale. Sounds like the numbers are actually pretty reasonable.
Keep in mind I paid $1750 from a guy I know for years who had one in my size sitting around for too long. Long enough they don't carry tandems anymore. |
Originally Posted by ElRey
Sorry Tgeek: I misread your post- 1000 words/minute and bad eyes Thought you were implying that $2250 was what your formula spat out as a price on late-model used Cdale. Sounds like the numbers are actually pretty reasonable. Keep in mind I paid $1750 from a guy I know for years who had one in my size sitting around for too long. Long enough they don't carry tandems anymore.
However, it is somewhat interesting (and reassuring) to note that when you pump in a replacement value of ~$2,400 for the NOS '03 and '04 Cannondale's that you and Shider purchased in '05 and '06, respectively, the tool spits a high-end (good as new) value of $1,764 when you back-date the "current year" to when they were purchased. Again, the tool isn't perfect, but when used carefully it does seem to get the numbers in the ballpark on a fairly consistent basis. |
... and there are far fewer used tandems and parts being offered for sale: more of a sellers market than single bike stuff.
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Originally Posted by ElRey
I would strongly suggest that you buy a new tandem if the used price is 90% of new. Components wear out quickly on a tandem and they're expensive to replace. TGeek's pricing guide may be reasonable for tandem stuff, but I wouldn't pay more than half of new cost were it a single bike, and have done so many times for all sorts of components and complete bikes.
However I question the sanity of paying 75-85% percent of a new price, particularly since you can find good discounts in new bikes with warranty if you go for models in stock at the shops. Just the risk of something going wrong in the transaction, bike shop fees for packing, and that sort of thing are worth the 15 %. I am also looking for 50-60 % and I am not finding it on anything that I would care to buy and ride. The only thing in favor of the used market is the value of the accesories. You can rack up a nice little sum in accesories (travel cases, racks, cycle computers, drum brake, pump, bags, roof racks, pedals, saddles etc) and a bike with lots of quality accesories does not fetch much higher prices than a stripped down bike. Yet finding the right size bike with the right combination of accessories is very hard to do. Where you do find deeper discounts and have more negotiating leverage is on entry level bikes, things like a 99 Trek T100 (our current bike), bikes which most of the people in this forum would not consider riding, or good bikes with dated technologies. |
Originally Posted by Xanti Andia
I am finding the used Tandem bike market to be a sellers market once you go just slightly above the entry level bikes. TGeek's table is right on the money, perhaps because sellers use it to price just as much as buyers, so TGeek essentially has created the market!, and sellers that I negotiated with turned me down and claim to have sold for full asking price.
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Originally Posted by cornucopia72
Does this means that you did not get the Co-Mo with the dings and SS couplers?
Then one fellow American selling an S&S Burley said that he was not comfortable dealing with foreigners! I could not believe that one. I thought "The Ugly American" was a dying breed. Meanwhile another fellow American is wants to send the police after the seller of a Rodriguez who did not deliver in spite of payment. I would sugest that unless the money for bike exchange is done in person, use a reputable Tandem shop for inspection and as a sort of Escrow, seller ships the bike to a shop, shop inspects and adds accesories, ships bike when seller receives his money and bills buyer for accesories and service. I have not tested this, don't know if a bike shop and the seller would agree. |
Originally Posted by Xanti Andia
Nope, went for full price 4650, '06 Co-mo Speedster with S&S and two travel cases, dings and all. Still in the market and close to giving up and ordering a new Speedster custom sized. Saw a Cappucino with S&S go for $ 4000!. That has a discontinued Soft Ride beam so I think it is off TGeek's table.
Then one fellow American selling an S&S Burley said that he was not comfortable dealing with foreigners! I could not believe that one. I thought "The Ugly American" was a dying breed. Meanwhile another fellow American is wants to send the police after the seller of a Rodriguez who did not deliver in spite of payment. I would sugest that unless the money for bike exchange is done in person, use a reputable Tandem shop for inspection and as a sort of Escrow, seller ships the bike to a shop, shop inspects and adds accesories, ships bike when seller receives his money and bills buyer for accesories and service. I have not tested this, don't know if a bike shop and the seller would agree. |
Originally Posted by cornucopia72
You know? There is a very nice Calfee Tetra Tetra with Ti SS that Gold Country Ciclery had for test rides that is up for sale. We have seen the bike and it is a beauty! This is the link: http://www.tandems-recumbents.com/specials.html. Rick is a trustworthy fellow. If the bike would fit you (size and $$$) it would not be a bad deal. I believe it comes with the cases and has very nice components and it is practically new. It is a large frame but your stoker may not need a suspension post with this frame.
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Originally Posted by Xanti Andia
... TGeek's table is right on the money, perhaps because sellers use it to price just as much as buyers, so TGeek essentially has created the market!, and sellers that I negotiated with turned me down and claim to have sold for full asking price.
Originally Posted by Xanti Andia
... things like a 99 Trek T100 (our current bike)
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Interesting posts re. prices.
My experience is that there is a wide spread of tandem pricing, from those posting in my view unrealistically high prices down to those who are letting good bikes go for a song. I am surprised that people can sell second hand bikes for 80% of new RRP and look forward to selling my tandem one day! I wouldn't buy a second hand bike at this price for the following reasons:
For example I got a Trek T2000 2005 model in early 2006 for £1400. RRP was 1800, which is a 22% discount. I also got 1.5% money back on the credit card. New T2000s cost a lot more, as they have carbon forks. I would be very happy to sell it to you for 85% of RRP! Bottom line is that if you're prepared to do some research and wait for the bike you want you should be able to get a deal. |
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Originally Posted by mrfish
For example I got a Trek T2000 2005 model in early 2006 for £1400. RRP was 1800, which is a 22% discount. I also got 1.5% money back on the credit card. New T2000s cost a lot more, as they have carbon forks. I would be very happy to sell it to you for 85% of RRP!
With regard to selling it for 85% RRP, the only time a buyer should consider offering that much would be on a "good as new" used tandem that is being sold during the same year it was produced. For example: a 2007 T2000 purchased in Jan '07 and ridden enough times for the stoker to discover their captain had unrealistic expectations and a lack of patience that was then put on the market in April '07 "might" be worth 85% of its '07 RRP if it was still in pristine condition. If they held on to the tandem for two years before selling it, the fair market value would at best be not more than 74% of the replacement value for an equivalent tandem model in 2009. Again, these are merely guidelines for depreciation that were benchmarked by watching the second hand tandem market for 5 years and doing periodic verification checks thereafter to see if the tables are still valid. And, as noted on the tables and my used tandem web page, the narrative that goes along with the tool is probably the more important piece of information for a tandem buyer or seller as it gets into the more subjective issues that influence the pricing vs. fair market value of tandems. |
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