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Old 04-20-09, 11:01 AM
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New tandem frame finally shipping!

Rue Sports is finally shipping our new tandem and they sent us some teaser photos. Mind you they are pretty low res. It should be here Wednesday or Thursday, then it will get a thorough going over complete with pictures.

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looks great.
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Old 04-20-09, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
looks great.
Thanks, I really love your CoMo as orange is one of my favorite colors. I did not want to restrict myself with accessories, and besides that my daughter had a bunch to say about how we will accentuate it. The color is actually silver to white fade with most of the frame clear coated over unidirectional carbon.
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I just called Rue Sports and they agreed to ship it to a new address. Somewhere in Kent, WA. I will let you know when it arrives.
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Congrats and best wishes for a smooth transition from "frame as delivered" to "tandem as ridden".
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All good things come to those that wait . . .
Great lookin' machine!
Enjoy the ride TWOgether!
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That looks like a very classy and conservative paint scheme for a Ruegamer.

No flames, or electrical arcing?

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Ruegamer Yin and Yang Ubertandems we've seen have had some great paintjobs.
Heck, they attract enough attention even in plain c/f!
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We did not get one of the ubertandems, they are way too light for our team. It is on the plane from Phoenix and will be here tomorrow. I will make sure to give it a very good look over and take some pictures. I guess I will have to weigh it also, curious how light the frame really is.

We went with a very plain paint job, it is silver to white fade. Our reasoning is that Bittersweet (stoker/daughter) has som very strong opinions on how to accessorize a bike and we figured some splashes of color using handlebar tape, saddles, cable housing and water bottles were the best way to change things up from year to year without having to match the paint color of the bike. We also did not want to spend any more money on a fancy paint job so we did his standard paint in a combination he hadn't done before.

I guess we shall see if her ideas really work.
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Here are a few images from this afternoon. Bittersweet shot 95 images of me unpacking the box!

Click on the images to see larger photos:


Just for the curious, frame weight with water bottle cage bolts was 2300 grams (2,300 g ~ 5 lbs.).
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SWEET, have fun putting that baby together
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Very nice. Is that an Alpha-Q fork?

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Originally Posted by WheresWaldo
Just for the curious, frame weight with water bottle cage bolts was 2300 grams (2,300 g ~ 5 lbs.).
Frame only, without the fork... Yes? So, 6 lbs with the fork?
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Originally Posted by mkane77g
SWEET, have fun putting that baby together
Thanks, we will.

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Very nice. Is that an Alpha-Q fork?
Yes it is. It is my understanding that Rue among a few others are allowed to repaint Alpha-Q forks and retain full factory warranty.

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Frame only, without the fork... Yes? So, 6 lbs with the fork?
Frame only, uncut fork was 380 grams so the total was 2.68 kg (2.68 kg = 5.91 lbs).
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Originally Posted by WheresWaldo
Frame only, uncut fork was 380 grams so the total was 2.68 kg (2.68 kg = 5.91 lbs).
Good grief... I didn't realize they'd reduced the weight yet again. I just checked and my 2-year old spare uncut Alpha Q X2 weighs in at 480 grams. That's both amazing and somewhat disconcerting given how much deflection you get with the 480 gram version. Perhaps Bert figured out how to increase stiffness and durability while reducing weight.
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I'll be anxious to see some additional, close-ups of the frame details.

While you can see the Calfee influence in the building techniques and a few features, Brent seemsto use a completely different approach for the rear triangle... integrating what appears to be a somewhat oversized pre-fabricated production rear triangle instead of stick-building and beefing up single bike stays as Calfee does. Brent's larger diameter rear stays look more proportional to the frame.

I also like Brent's approach for incorporating the integrated headset into a very lean-looking head tube which also makes me wonder if the head tube is a pre-fabricated unit vs. the 'fatter' hand-wrapped head tube used by Calfee. In fact, as I look at the frame it appears Brent simply uses a bit less material at all of the tube junctions.

The main tubes look to be sourced from a common supplier as well, at least based on photos of more recently produced nude Calfees.

The graphics and paint definitely have a single race-bike look consistent with current trends vs. the more ubiquitous solid color or fades found on most tandems.

Finally, in looking at earlier RueSports tandems I tend to get the impression Brent was the one who adopted the larger, aluminum-sleeved eccentric shell to accommodate the Bushnell eccentric which Calfee has since adopted.

Again, I'll be anxious to see the final build as it should be very distinctive given some of your component details, e.g., white brake hoods to pick up on the white paint, etc.

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TG, All the pictures we have so far are of me unboxing and unwrapping the frame. I am headed to the bike shop this morning to show it off to the locals. I plan on taking a bunch of pictures to show those very details and more. Stay tuned.

That rear triangle was one of the things Brent and I spoke about at length. He says they are asymmetrical and oversized, although with my poor old eyes I'm not really seeing it. Guess I'll have to take a caliper to it.

He also told me that his big influence was Cannondale tandems. As a matter of fact, his default specs match the Cannondale specs exactly.

He also supplied the new ultralight Bushnell eccentric, 138 grams (138 g = 4.88 oz) by my scale.

When I get some time I will really explain our long term plans with regard to color. Graphics were specifically single bike oriented as well as the geometry. More soon.
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That is one sweet looking frame. Congrats!
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Very cool & sporty bike! Please keep us posted on the build.
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Originally Posted by TandemGeek
The main tubes look to be sourced from a common supplier as well, at least based on photos of more recently produced nude Calfees.
Correct again. Both Calfee and Ruegamer source their tubing from Edge Composites.

In fact, we've been making all of the tubes and moulded parts for the nation's most fastidious frame builders - Parlee, Independent Fabrications, Calfee, Vanilla, Crumpton and Rugamer...
Calfee told me that his tubing was from Edge when I talked to him at Sea Otter last weekend. Ruegamer's bikes were displayed at the Edge booth at Interbike.

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Update, bike is almost ready for the road. Need a couple of minor things done.

Bittersweet pulled a fast one on me with color choice. She now wanted everything black and white, so I think it looks rather dull. But since she is my daughter and I want her to be happy riding with such an old man, I accommodated.

Will post pics later.

Rue typically shows in other booths, I guess it's cheaper that way.

Build was pretty straight forward but I made one small error. When I greased up the eccentric I had it all apart. Upon reassembly I put the adjustment bolt in backwards. This wouldn't be an issue if you could insert an allen wrench in from either side, but you can't. So that means take a crank arm off and remove the eccentric take it apart and reassemble it. Silly that the hole goes all the way through the bolt but you can only adjust it from one side. Still have to shave off the fork "Lawyer Tabs" and cut to length, I just don't know exactly what that length should be yet. Need two new saddles and to figure out where to mount the Garmin cadence sensor.
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I only said that we should stick with the black and white for one season. It is a classic look and I think that the bike speaks for itself and as of right now we don't really need to detract from it's simplicity.
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Good job B...sweet, someone has to keep us 'mature' guys from running off in the ditch and doing who knows what to a cool ride.

WW..that is one outstanding looking chassis, clearly you did your homework as usual! Excellent!

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Originally Posted by WheresWaldo
Brent usually builds to 130mm but will build 132.5, 135, 145 if the user requests.
What is the width on yours, and what were your considerations in selecting the width?
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Took it out for a spin tonight. It is amazing to me how something that works so smoothly on the stand behaves so differently when you put two people on it. Also since we haven't ridden a tandem since August, It was incredibly shaky for the first mile or two.

The bad:
  1. Need a different chain, I am using a KMC 10sp chain we actually split the chain at the removable link on one of the small inclines. Didn't break it or lose any of the pieces but don't like the fact that it came apart. Going to switch to a Shimano Ultegra chain.
  2. Need a new stoker saddle, she likes the Specialized Ruby saddle better.
  3. Need to tighten down a few items, like the stoker stem and seat post, probably need to use assembly paste on the seat post.
  4. Must swap the brake pads for Kool Stop Salmon.
  5. Compared to the Dale, the frame tended to float up and down more.

The good:
  1. When it shifted well, it was smooth and quiet.
  2. My saddle was fine, Selle Italia Thork.
  3. Nothing on the front end needed tightening.
  4. Dura-Ace calipers provide more than enough braking power.
  5. Vertical frame flex became compliance as we got smoother during the ride. There was no observable flex in the bottom bracket areas.

The first two miles were scary. After that Bittersweet stopped fidgeting around and things were much better. It rode so smoothly on the broken pavement that I had to remind myself that we were still in Union County with all their horrible road surfaces. Still much to do, much to tweak, but we should be in pretty good shape after a month of riding. One thing that I got completely right was having the front end built exactly like my road bike. When we smoothed out it felt like I was home. Like this is how a bike was meant to feel. It handled exactly like my favorite road bike, well almost exactly. More later.

Oh by the way, for those that are curious, my goal was a final weight just under 27 pounds. Actual built weight w/pedals, bottle cages, Garmin was 25 lbs 10 oz.
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