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Researching TTV (Tandem Transport Vehicles)

Old 03-07-10, 11:16 PM
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Did a little experimenting this weekend, visiting car dealers with our tandem frame to see if we could fit it inside some of the newer hatchbacks. We went zero for three, checking out a Honda Accord Crosstour (rear suspension columns make space too narrow), a Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback (too short) and an Acura CZX (too narrow and too little height of opening). What did work was a BMW 550 GT Hatchback. This ultra-lux hatch is built on a 7 series platform, currrently only available with a big V-8 and every option known to man (still gets 23 MPG on the highway). The $70,000+ price to play in this league is a serious problem for a tandem hauler. I think they are introducing a 6 cylinder version later this year that may be more attainable.
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Originally Posted by barry.cohen View Post
...What did work was a BMW 550 GT Hatchback. This ultra-lux hatch is built on a 7 series platform, currrently only available with a big V-8 and every option known to man (still gets 23 MPG on the highway). The $70,000+ price to play in this league is a serious problem for a tandem hauler. I think they are introducing a 6 cylinder version later this year that may be more attainable.
So, the tandem fits with the front wheel off in the back of this? Is there a way to secure the bike, or does it slide around while getting chain oil on the carpet?


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Old 03-09-10, 05:13 PM
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Old 03-09-10, 07:56 PM
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Still loving the minivans here. We bought a Chrysler Town and Country with Stow and Go Seating and it works very well. We can carry a Rans Screamer and my brother in law's Santana inside with seating for four. The versatility of this vehicle is perfect and it gets mileage similar to all of the mid sized SUVs and wagons at 24mpg with more usable space.
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Old 03-10-10, 01:29 PM
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We've dealt with the chain oil issue by cutting up a $10 piece of lightweight, dark gray carpet, courtesy of Home Depot, to fit the rear compartment with the back seats down. Left about 12 inches of extra carpet on the side with the chain so the side of the car's interior isn't stained. Left extra carpet to run up the back of the front seats for the same reason. Takes a minute to install or remove the carpet. Been doing this for five years with my '05 Mazda 6 Hatchback without a single black chain mark (plenty of marks on the grey carpet).
If you lay the frame on its side, it's resting on the end of the pedals and the stoker handlebar. In our experience, the frame doesn't move at all, even under emergency braking or sharp, sudden turns. The key is to find a mid size hatch with a wide, flat floor when the seats are down. Would be nice to spend less than $70K for that (we spent about $20K for our loaded, V6 Mazda hatch, 5 years ago).
By the way, we also have room for two suitcases and all our misc biking stuff behind the driver's seat (ends up in front of the stoker's saddle).
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Old 03-10-10, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by blamp28 View Post
Still loving the minivans here. We bought a Chrysler Town and Country with Stow and Go Seating and it works very well. We can carry a Rans Screamer and my brother in law's Santana inside with seating for four. The versatility of this vehicle is perfect and it gets mileage similar to all of the mid sized SUVs and wagons at 24mpg with more usable space.
Do you remove the front wheel? Could you please expand on how you secure/fit the bikes?
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Old 03-10-10, 02:57 PM
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So, the tandem fits with the front wheel off in the back of this? Is there a way to secure the bike, or does it slide around while getting chain oil on the carpet?


I am assuming it's just laid down with something underneath for the chain (like we do in our Civic).

Except... man that thing is (1) UGLY and (2) overpriced!

I would much rather get a 99-01 era 5-series wagon, that looks way cooler, and can be had for literally 1/10th of the price!
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Old 03-10-10, 04:45 PM
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We know of a several teams that bought S&S equipped tandems so they could carry them around inside just about any thing short of a 2-door roadster. This pretty much allows anyone to drive anything they'd like so for them the extra $$ was money better spent vs. looking for a tandem hauler + it gave them the travel convenience.

One couple would put their Co-Motion Co-Pilot wrapped up in a blanket across the back seat or in the boot. Another puts their Co-Pilot in the back of their Prius. There's yet another who put their Co-Pilot in the back seat of their Civic Hybrid and a few years back there was a couple who were toting their Santana Ti-700 Stowaway in the back of a PT Cruiser.

The Co-Pilot's make it a bit easier since you can pop off just the wheels & front end of the tandem (without messing around with the sync chain) and that typically gets them down to a size that will fit across a back seat or fold-down hatch back without encroaching on the front passenger area.

Frankly, knocking down our Erickson S&S and now the Calfee with one less pair of couplers which both split at either end of the stoker compartment wasn't / isn't all that much more effort; maybe a couple more minutes for the two extra couplers and derailling the chain.
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Old 03-11-10, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by cornucopia72 View Post
Do you remove the front wheel? Could you please expand on how you secure/fit the bikes?
In our minivan I remove the front wheel and park the forks besides the middle bench seat (the 3rd bench is removed), this puts the bike alongside the right side of the van where I loop the middle shoulder seat belt around the front handlebars and rear bench shoulder belt around stokers seat. I also throw a rag on the floor to protect against the chain soiling the vans carpet.

As I noted in the original post I like the fit of the mini van, but with the kids mostly grown we're looking for other options than a minivan that still has the ease of dropping the front wheel and sliding the rest of the beast intact into the van.

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Old 03-11-10, 08:41 AM
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We like the Stow and Go feature very much. We could also use the van for my wife's farmers markets in the slow season and for family/friends trips. We are keeping our eyes open for a good used Dodge van locally.
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Old 03-11-10, 06:33 PM
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Well I really like our Odyssey for tandem transport. The van handles as well as any normal road car up to 90 mph and I really don't give a darn what anybody thinks. I had a very hot sports car from Germany that I always drove over 100mph every time I drove it and found that the Honda is a much better solution for me . Soccer Mom, yea that's me!
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Old 03-13-10, 10:14 AM
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One of the reasons we love our S&S couplers is that, if I take off the front third of the bike, the whole thing can fit in the back of our Yaris!

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Old 03-13-10, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by taliani2000 View Post
Well I really like our Odyssey for tandem transport. The van handles as well as any normal road car up to 90 mph and I really don't give a darn what anybody thinks. I had a very hot sports car from Germany that I always drove over 100mph every time I drove it and found that the Honda is a much better solution for me . Soccer Mom, yea that's me!
We like our Odyssey too, I've had it up to 117. It's not exactly like a sports car at that speed. Kids don't try this at home.
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We like our Odyssey too, I've had it up to 117. It's not exactly like a sports car at that speed. Kids don't try this at home.
Just have to ask, was your stoker along for the ride on that trip too?

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Just have to ask, was your stoker along for the ride on that trip too?

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Are you kidding? I wouldn't be in the dog house, I'd be buried under it, if I tried that with her along.

Actually, it was a science experiment to see if the speedometer matched the GPS at higher speed. It was pretty close.
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