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Paketa V2r with HED H3s

Old 09-12-11, 03:41 AM
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Paketa V2r with HED H3s

These wheels are great! No problems in the crosswinds, even when on the aero bars.


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Old 09-12-11, 08:15 AM
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What is the team weight? Hed does not approve these wheels for tandem use. I have them on my single and would love to use them on the tandem.
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Old 09-12-11, 08:26 AM
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What is the team weight? Hed does not approve these wheels for tandem use. I have them on my single and would love to use them on the tandem.
Our team weight is 250- 260 lbs.

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I guess that I did not have the full scoop on the Hed3's I just talked to Tim at Hed and according to him, if you put a heavier axle on the front wheel it would be usable in a tandem application. They have a track axle conversion that will do the job. His concern was the rear axle, it would need to be stronger, otherwise it could catastrophically fail. They can put one of their rims on a tandem hub. Very interesting.

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I used the HED 3's on my tandem for a while. My team is in the 340lb range. They worked ok. They are fast wheels but have a really harsh ride which translates to bad handling manors at higher speeds. Since Florida doesn't have any hills you probably won't won't be going fast enough to notice it.
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We used HED 3's on our tandem as time trial wheels. We tried them for other types of riding but they always felt like they were flexing laterally when turning or climbing. Not very confidence inspiring in a crit in the middle of a tight pack. Durability was not a problem for us with a team weight of 290 pounds.
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Originally Posted by Homeyba View Post
I used the HED 3's on my tandem for a while. My team is in the 340lb range. They worked ok. They are fast wheels but have a really harsh ride which translates to bad handling manors at higher speeds. Since Florida doesn't have any hills you probably won't won't be going fast enough to notice it.
"flat land" only wheels. We had the bike up to 44mph down a bridge on Sunday. It was very steady. I was even on the aero bars at that point.

No high speed corners around here to worry about. Anyhow, very few of the roadies around here can go around a corner fast. We usually drop them in the turns.
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Old 09-13-11, 03:48 PM
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Nice bike.

But there are lighter, more aero and stiffer wheels out there. Or did you get them to get aluminium brake sufaces with good aero?

If new I would personally have chosen a different pair, mainly to get a laterally stiff wheel as this is what makes the difference in handling. Personally I would prioritise as follows for the tandem:

Braking
Stiffness
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Weight
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Stiffer wheel********** Those things are too stiff (from my experience). I've never ridden on a stiffer wheel. I have several pairs of Zipps and they have more lateral give than the HED 3's.

This is from HED:
"The wheel is stiffer overall than a spoked wheel, and more efficient, but what flex there is comes from a different place in the wheel. We had this problem with making discs for Postal, and with one rider in particular ( he won the tour a few times). They kept asking for stiffer discs, so we kept making the sides stiffer. After a few, when they were still asking for more stiffness we took a very close look at the wheel and found that the hub was where the flex occurred. We can't reduce it without adding a lot of weight to the hub and recutting the molds. Since the wheel is still stiffer than others, we will not make changes because of the added weight.

The second case when an H3 is flexy is when it is worn out. Again we are talking about flex at the hub, but in this case the bond between the hub and carbon is compromised and the wheel is noticeably flexy when you get out of the saddle. In this case there might be enough flex under a powerful rider to bring the tire to the chainstay. There is no visible indication when the wheel is worn in this way - it can still be ridden.

I expect H3s to last at least 10000 miles, I've seen them go more than 30000 miles. wearing out is rear only, I have never seen a front do this."

This is probably why they have the concern with the hub on the rear of a tandem.
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