Tandem Wheelset for a heavy team
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Tandem Wheelset for a heavy team
New to the forum and did a search without the results I was looking for. We're a bigger team and I was wondering what other large teams have found for wheelsets. Our current set is 48o and I would love to know what people's experience is with 36/40 or other options. We are over 400 for the team and are riding an older Canondale. Thanks!
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A 145 rear being nearly dishless. will be stronger. than a narrower more dished wheel..
Solo self contained toured on a 40/48 spoke 700c pair, with old 126 rear spread..
self built wheels, so I never let them go out of true for long..
Solo self contained toured on a 40/48 spoke 700c pair, with old 126 rear spread..
self built wheels, so I never let them go out of true for long..
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We're a 350 lb. team riding a daVinci with 40h 700c wheels with WI hubs. Have had no problem in 11000 miles. If you do some searches I think you'll find these to be highly regarded, especially at their price.
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We have not used daVinci rims but I have looked at the rims and they appear to be a strong design. Good profile and a little more material than most rims. I have seen heavier teams go with 40 hole Velocity Deep V rims because of their strong high profile.
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My team is in the 350+ range and I ride on 32 spoke Zipp 404's with 135mm spacing (I think). Don't know how many miles are on them but it's well north of 10k with no problems at all.
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New to the forum and did a search without the results I was looking for. We're a bigger team and I was wondering what other large teams have found for wheelsets. Our current set is 48o and I would love to know what people's experience is with 36/40 or other options. We are over 400 for the team and are riding an older Canondale. Thanks!
I hadn't been on any websites or forums for bikes till finding "Tandem Geek's" blog and then this site GREAT site! I mis-spoke on my opening post, ours are 40o. I've been shocked once I got on this forum what people are riding spoke-wise I just assumed most rode 40 or 48.
We've broken two spokes this summer so was thinking of getting new wheels and thought I'd ask. With the spoke breakage, typically 1 or two a season, I've been skeptical of fewer spokes.
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The key to long wheel life is the wheel builder, first and foremost. High spoke count wheels are a crutch for poor wheelbuilders. As you've experienced, even 40-48 spoke wheels will fail if not built correctly. If you want a good quality inexpensive wheel set there are a lot of great options out there. You can't go wrong with a set of well built Deep V's (or something similar) laced to a quality hub by a good wheelbuilder. When you get a new set of wheels make sure that they are not only trued but more importantly tensioned properly by some who knows what they are doing. Properly built wheels will last many thousands of miles.
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Just completed a 3-week loaded tour on some seriously rough roads. 305 lb. team with an extra 40 lbs. in rear panniers. Velocity 36H Deep V rims. Never touched them. Still as true as the day we left. A deep rim like that can have fewer spokes and will stay truer than a more conventional shallow rim. Plus it's all in the building with near-perfect tension on every spoke.
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https://www.youngwheels.com/
Highly recommended !
Joe Young has built several sets of wheels for me, one of which I've toured on for several thousand miles. Look at his website, read his CV, and fill out a questionnaire. You'll be glad you did.
He built our main wheel set for our new Seven Ti. We used Phil Wood hubs, Velocity Dyad, 48 spoke.
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Joe Young has built several sets of wheels for me, one of which I've toured on for several thousand miles. Look at his website, read his CV, and fill out a questionnaire. You'll be glad you did.
He built our main wheel set for our new Seven Ti. We used Phil Wood hubs, Velocity Dyad, 48 spoke.
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Thanks I'll check into these ideas.
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Just a second vote of confidence for Joe Young. We had 36h Phils with Velocity Deep Vs built a few years ago (after a near catastrophic Rolf failure) and they have been great for many thousands of miles, 2 tours in Europe, yada...
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I'm not a fan of 36/40 spoke wheelsets for tandems.
If you ever crunch a wheel, it'll almost always be the rear and nobody is going to have a 40 hole rim in stock. If your front is also a 40, you can have your front rim laced onto your rear hub and substitute whatever front wheel you can find. A long time tandem team who are close friends of mine did exactly that in the middle of a week long tour.
I'd also worry more about the rim than the number of spokes.
If you ever crunch a wheel, it'll almost always be the rear and nobody is going to have a 40 hole rim in stock. If your front is also a 40, you can have your front rim laced onto your rear hub and substitute whatever front wheel you can find. A long time tandem team who are close friends of mine did exactly that in the middle of a week long tour.
I'd also worry more about the rim than the number of spokes.
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If this is the rim then the Zip 404 is a stout rim. 557 grams and 58mm tall would make a very strong but not light rim.
https://www.wheelbuilder.com/zipp-404...-zipp-460.html
Additional information:
- Weight: 557g (650c)
- Hole count: 16, 18, 20, 24
- Rim profile: 58mm
- Width: 22.5mm
- ERD: 525mm (700c); 477mm (650c)
- Ideal use: road racing, criteriums, climbing and triathlon.
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If this is the rim then the Zip 404 is a stout rim. 557 grams and 58mm tall would make a very strong but not light rim.
Additional information:
Additional information:
- Weight: 557g (650c)
- Hole count: 16, 18, 20, 24
- Rim profile: 58mm
- Width: 22.5mm
- ERD: 525mm (700c); 477mm (650c)
- Ideal use: road racing, criteriums, climbing and triathlon.
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https://www.youngwheels.com/
Highly recommended !
Joe Young has built several sets of wheels for me, one of which I've toured on for several thousand miles. Look at his website, read his CV, and fill out a questionnaire. You'll be glad you did.
He built our main wheel set for our new Seven Ti. We used Phil Wood hubs, Velocity Dyad, 48 spoke.
Highly recommended !
Joe Young has built several sets of wheels for me, one of which I've toured on for several thousand miles. Look at his website, read his CV, and fill out a questionnaire. You'll be glad you did.
He built our main wheel set for our new Seven Ti. We used Phil Wood hubs, Velocity Dyad, 48 spoke.
An F-150 pickup probably has wimpier wheels.
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see:
https://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=514
Chucker a Deep V but bigger and heavier 650g
Psycho 606g
https://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=514
Chucker a Deep V but bigger and heavier 650g
Psycho 606g
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Not many shops will have a Rolf 24H rim (truly twinned spokes, small holes, internal nipples) or Spinergy 24H rim (evenly spaced but large holes, and hub-area nipples not rim-area). At least the Spinergy set is 24/24, but our Rolf set is 20/24 so there's no swapping. I think our next set will be 36h/36h.
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see:
https://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=514
Chucker a Deep V but bigger and heavier 650g
Psycho 606g
https://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=514
Chucker a Deep V but bigger and heavier 650g
Psycho 606g
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We're a roughly 450# team. Yeah, we aren't going any place fast!
I have a set of 40h Velocity Chukkers built by Peter White. Rear wheel has a Hugi DT hub, front is a Phil.
They are heavy, but absolutely bomb proof. And I mean that literally. They were on a train that was deraileded by a tornado. They came through without a scratch.
And because of that incident i can say 100% that Peter & his people are all about customer service. They were fantastic during that whole ordeal.
I have a set of 40h Velocity Chukkers built by Peter White. Rear wheel has a Hugi DT hub, front is a Phil.
They are heavy, but absolutely bomb proof. And I mean that literally. They were on a train that was deraileded by a tornado. They came through without a scratch.
And because of that incident i can say 100% that Peter & his people are all about customer service. They were fantastic during that whole ordeal.
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Replacing a single spoke is one thing, tensioning an entire (hi-zoot) wheel is another.