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Just Ordered New Da Vinci Joint Venture 700

Old 10-12-12, 12:08 PM
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Just Ordered New Da Vinci Joint Venture 700

Have ridden tandem with the wife now for over 13 + years & we love tandems. I have had several Co Motions & still have one, awsome tandems. Have owned a Cannondale tandem & a Trek tandem also started on a KHS to see if we even liked tandems. We have looked at several times & wanted to try the Da Vinci ICS system for fun & if we do not like it we will lock it out & still be able to take advantange of the increased range of gears both high & more importanly the lows for climbing long grades that are offered with this set up.

The quality appears to be top notch on the Da Vinci & par with Co Motion. Todd at Da Vinci is one of the nicest and informative guys I have dealt with since getting into tandems. I had Todd ship the tandem unasembled because I like to build my own tandems & he had no problems with this after a long chat on what I would like going through all the specific details of the tandem build & paint options.

I will post pics and a review when all is said & done. The tandem is still 3 to 4 weeks out I can not wait to get it all together & try it out. What the heck one more tandem in the stable Lol..

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Enjoy the new daV TWOgether!
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We look forward to the pics and how it works for you, your experienced input will be valuable. Our joint venture is about to be put to bed at the end of a third season, we have been pleased with it, and Todd, great company to do business with!
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Originally Posted by gracehowler
We look forward to the pics and how it works for you, your experienced input will be valuable. Our joint venture is about to be put to bed at the end of a third season, we have been pleased with it, and Todd, great company to do business with!
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Yes you are correct Todd & Brian are great guys and care about there prouct. So far I have been very happy with everything. I have built several tandems for myself and others and a lot of single bikes over the years and look forward to this project. I also look forward to the riding time needed to get use to the tandem and the diffrences of the ICS system.

I hear all you guys that have the Da Vinci tandem/ICS system really like them and I hear most if not all do not choose the option of locking it out.

I have ridden so long with the standard tandem configuration and hope to take to the ICS system. If for what ever reason me and the wife can not adjust to it like I said in the original post I will just lock it out and take advantage of the gear ratios offered and enjoy a nice quality built tandem.

What do you think of the ICS system pros & cons please if you can. I always like to hear opinions with a little experiance behind them. I will post my exsperiance down the road along with some pic's. Thanks for your input and your intrest.

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Originally Posted by rdtompki
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Thank you & we always ride TWOgether. The wife calls the tandem AKA the Marrage Counselor and says it will get your relationship going in what ever direction it was heading faster Lol...Thanks again

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Have ridden a daVinci and our only real issue was that with the ICS system we never did know whose cranks/feet are in what position which for us carried some issues, especially while climbing.
Sure, stoker can look down, coast and re-engage so her feet would be 90 degrees OOP but seemed to be too much of bother.
Yes, a couple folks have locked out the ICS but then why spend $ for something you don't want/need?
They do build a great quality tandem of a variety of frame materials; excellent raport and aftermarket guidance if needed.
The gear selections are incredible and the front shifting is the smoothest mechanical shifts ever.
However, currently experimenting/testing with a Di-2 electronic shifting setup and in-the-seatpost battery which is smoother/crisper than any cable activated system. . . although a steep co$t.
At least we have choices we can make!
We are a bit different as we have been riding OOP for 230,000+ miles. Tough to teach old dogs new tricks!?
Enjoy tge new twicer!
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Just two notes on ICS:
In phase shouldn't be a problem. My stoker does it almost automatically. Now, when I've asked her to get OOP, that was a problem, I presume because the cues are harder to come by.

Looking at this differently, I once had my son on the back, 6', 190 lbs. While he wasn't a Cat 2 at that time he was very strong. His pedal stroke was so smooth I couldn't tell whether or not he was IP. In fact, he didn't want to both so was in some random phase. This was on a Large/Small with a lot of seatpost extension.
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Originally Posted by rdtompki
Just two notes on ICS:
In phase shouldn't be a problem. My stoker does it almost automatically. Now, when I've asked her to get OOP, that was a problem, I presume because the cues are harder to come by.

Looking at this differently, I once had my son on the back, 6', 190 lbs. While he wasn't a Cat 2 at that time he was very strong. His pedal stroke was so smooth I couldn't tell whether or not he was IP. In fact, he didn't want to both so was in some random phase. This was on a Large/Small with a lot of seatpost extension.

A smooth stoke is great. I had the opposite result with a 6' 200 or so pound strong son who had a very rough stroke. It was fun with that power but it was a handful even on a stiff newer CoMotion Speedster. I think a lot pf people like very stiff tandems because the team's stoke could use a little smoothing out.


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Originally Posted by waynesulak
A smooth stoke is great. I had the opposite result with a 6' 200 or so pound strong son who had a very rough stroke. It was fun with that power but it was a handful even on a stiff newer CoMotion Speedster. I think a lot pf people like very stiff tandems because the team's stoke could use a little smoothing out.


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+1. I can tell when my wife is out of phase, but the bike actually wiggles more when I'm solo. Her stroke definitely isn't all that smooth (love her anyway), but I would suspect her power is 20% that of my son's.
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Curious to know if you ordered directly from DaVinci or did you go thru a dealer? I'm interested in test riding the Da Vinci's and Santanas but the nearest Da Vinci dealer (Crank2) is in Northern Cal, about a 400 mile drive. Seeing that you are located in CA, thought I'd see if you have any experience with Crank2.

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David,
I think your question is directed to the OP, but I'll chime in. I bought my daVinci (and Volagi) from Crank-2. Bryon Price, the owner, will let you test ride to your hearts content. He sells daVinci, KHS, Santana and Co-Motion. You could make a mini-vacation of a trip, but I would suggest weekdays. Bryon will work with you I'm sure on the weekend, but weekdays are less busy. I'm 70 miles south of Crank-2, but I'm up there fairly frequently. Bryon has been great about working with my slightly unusual setup: Campy 10-spd shifters, SRAM Exact Actuation RD and Shimano cassette. Of course I have the quad chainrings to further "complexify" things.

I know you'll need a stoker, but bringing a female SO to Crank-2 is risky bank account-wise YMMV.
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Originally Posted by daperson
Curious to know if you ordered directly from DaVinci or did you go thru a dealer? I'm interested in test riding the Da Vinci's and Santanas but the nearest Da Vinci dealer (Crank2) is in Northern Cal, about a 400 mile drive. Seeing that you are located in CA, thought I'd see if you have any experience with Crank2.

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David I live to far away from Crank 2 or any other Da Vinci dealer to just drop in on them it would be quite a drive to get to them just like your sitution. I preffer factory direct myself (not apposed to dealers I do have a Co Motion Dealer local & have purchased several Co Motions from them but I did all the footwork with Co Motion myself) So I made the choice to buy from the factory & I really preffer it this way if possible. My reasoning here I do all my own building and mechanical adjustments myself (specificaly order my bikes unasembled) & do not really need a dealers support for anything other than a place to purchase & buy extra parts if neccisary. If there had been a local dealer or one reasonably close I would have supported them & ordered through them. Also it would have been nice to see the tandems up close and personal.

In my research I have heard really good things about Crank 2 but have never been there. A big plus for Crank 2 is they are a tandem specific shop. For us we did the research & having years of tandem experiance we took a chance or the plunge and ordered the Da Vinci & I think things will be just fine. I have studied the frame geometry & building materials checked out tons of close up pics & read a grip of reviews before ordering. Worst case senario we will have to lock the ICS system out. With that being said I think we will get the hang of the ICS system with no problems.

I do like the gear range offered this was a big plus for us when it came to making the decision to buy one & the ICS sytem was secondairy in that thought process knowing it could be locked out. The wife is really excited about giving it a try after so many years of rideing a standard tandem set up in sync.

I will tell you so far Todd & Brian have been awsome to deal with they show pride in what they do & the way they handle people. I requested pic's of the build & they have sent me current ones daily as things progress along..Very cool..

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Pic's of Tandem in paint cooker & decals being applied, sandblasting & frame prep....Galaxy Gray fade to Orion Silver with white decals. Lots of glare from paint booths bright lights.

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Thank you for the reply Rick. Will probably take a trip up there this spring. I think my wife wants to visit an art exhibit in SF.
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Nice pics and thanks for the info.
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