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My Tubeless Experiment is over!

Old 07-31-14, 09:06 PM
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My Tubeless Experiment is over!

I installed a Schwalbe 700 X 23 Tubeless tire on the front of our Calfee in January. The wheel I used is a HED3 which is not tubeless specific. The tire mounted with so serious issues, a little hard to get on but it took air and held it.

I ran 95 PSI in the tire and it rode and handled great, absolutely no problems. It did need to be replaced after nearly 3,000 miles so I let the air out and proceeded to remove the tire, after breaking one plastic tire tool and not being able to get a different one to hook onto the tire I used a pair of heavy duty steel Park tire levers, I did get the tire off. If we would have had a flat out on the road I would not have been able to remove the tire and install a tube. I have gone back to tube type tires.

Would a tubeless specific rim made a difference? Maybe but that is not what I have so I will still run Schwalbe One tires but stick with tubes (latex). BTW 700 X 25 front/rear.
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Originally Posted by DubT
I installed a Schwalbe 700 X 23 Tubeless tire on the front of our Calfee in January. The wheel I used is a HED3 which is not tubeless specific. The tire mounted with so serious issues, a little hard to get on but it took air and held it.

I ran 95 PSI in the tire and it rode and handled great, absolutely no problems. It did need to be replaced after nearly 3,000 miles so I let the air out and proceeded to remove the tire, after breaking one plastic tire tool and not being able to get a different one to hook onto the tire I used a pair of heavy duty steel Park tire levers, I did get the tire off. If we would have had a flat out on the road I would not have been able to remove the tire and install a tube. I have gone back to tube type tires.

Would a tubeless specific rim made a difference? Maybe but that is not what I have so I will still run Schwalbe One tires but stick with tubes (latex). BTW 700 X 25 front/rear.

I don't run tubeless on the tandems but yes a tubeless specific tire and tubeless specific rim will yield much better results.

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I take it that you haven't spent much time in the dirt on tubeless mountain bike tires when you've flatted having to remove the rim tape to get some wiggle room to be able to install the tube & tire, what a wrestling match, I can feel your pain!
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Originally Posted by Bad1
I take it that you haven't spent much time in the dirt on tubeless mountain bike tires when you've flatted having to remove the rim tape to get some wiggle room to be able to install the tube & tire, what a wrestling match, I can feel your pain!
Tubeless sounds great.
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Not a problem with UST tubeless just tubeless ready. UST is designed to be installed by hand and removed by hand when UST tires and wheels used together. Also does not require sealant(never used it) or special rim strips.


I never really understood the whole converting wheels/ using Stans thing. I know it makes a slightly lighter wheel but the hassles were just to much. With the UST combination I could change tires for race conditions minutes before a race. Try that with a Stans set up.

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I take it that you haven't spent much time in the dirt on tubeless mountain bike tires when you've flatted having to remove the rim tape to get some wiggle room to be able to install the tube & tire, what a wrestling match, I can feel your pain!
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Originally Posted by Team Fab
Not a problem with UST tubeless just tubeless ready. UST is designed to be installed by hand and removed by hand when UST tires and wheels used together. Also does not require sealant(never used it) or special rim strips.


I never really understood the whole converting wheels/ using Stans thing. I know it makes a slightly lighter wheel but the hassles were just to much. With the UST combination I could change tires for race conditions minutes before a race. Try that with a Stans set up.
Interesting to learn about the difference. I have heard so much about sealant that i thought that was the way all tubeless systems worked. Google led me to UST link below.

To The Point - UST Rims and Tires - Pinkbike

What road tires applicable to a tandem are available?
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Just put a set of Ibis 928 29er TL wheels on my MTB. This wheelset has 32 spokes, and weighs 1580 grams for the set.

I'm wondering if they'd work as tandem wheels? ( The rear spacing is either 10/135, or 12/142)

The 28 mm rims look like they would be strong enough for tandem use.

I'm not sure what the max pressure you can run with the hookless rims, or how narrow a tire you can put on them, but they look intriguing if you want a light, yet durable wheel. They're also disc brake only, so you'd have to be running disc brakes.
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I've been running Hutchinson Sector 28 tires on my single bike with D/A 7950 wheels. I couldn't be happier with the combination. The real secret to any tubeless setup is using rims with a sufficiently deep center channel. This allows a displaced bead enough slack that it can be stretched over the sidewall.
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Originally Posted by mstyer
I've been running Hutchinson Sector 28 tires on my single bike with D/A 7950 wheels. I couldn't be happier with the combination. The real secret to any tubeless setup is using rims with a sufficiently deep center channel. This allows a displaced bead enough slack that it can be stretched over the sidewall.
That was the main issue that I encountered the HED3 has a very shallow center channel. I also applied a layer of electricians tape the the rime to protect the inside of the wheel from the sealant. I was happy with the way the tire rode and felt. It did wear faster the the ZX's that I had been using.
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